WHAT DO YOU IMAGINE "PERSONALITY" TO BE?

[docjp]

Since the early 1900's, when the Psychology of the ancient Greeks was cast aside as too difficult for intellectuals to study, and they instead bought into the delusional ideas of B.F. Skinner, and his "behaviorism", the personality of Man became more and more a series of enumerated symptoms, grouped together and then labeled as some "type" of personality.

To those limited to intellectualism [which means little or no access to the faculty of intuition] "thinking" about symptoms helps them imagine that such thinking means something.  All it means is that all possible human behavior can be grouped into categories.  This does not, of course, tell us the "reason" a person has the particular set of behavioral symptoms that resemble others with the same  symptoms.  But for those whose only access to life is via physical phenomena  and intellectualism,  thinking "about" things helps pass the time.

The reason a person has a particular personality is that such a personality best fulfills the needs of that person relative to the http://about-psychology.com/karma.html Karma that person designed for this life.  Both the persons MIND http://about-psychology.com/MIND.html and the http://about-psychology.com/apapsyche.htmlApapsyche of the person work together to create a personality and a Psychology that will best serve the Fate Karma of that person for this life.

The majority of a persons personality "are" Esoteric, and incapable of being discovered or perceived by ones brain or physical senses.  But, of course there will always be those who are unable to study the Esoteric dimensions of Man, and for them "thinking" about the behavioral of Man will remain an interesting thing to do.

[pert -5]

I still say it's spam...  Karma (an eastern term adds mystique)?  MIND (in all capital letters)?  The same old web links?

[docjp]

I still say it's spam...  Karma (an eastern term adds mystique)?  MIND (in all capital letters)?  The same old web links?

Same "old web links"?  Perhaps if you would attempt to comprehend these links rather than allow your MIND to dismiss them by causing you to "think" the thoughts you express.... you would begin to perceive intuitively that what you think is in error, and the links contain Esoteric levels of understanding you are missing.  But if unable to do this, I understand.

Peace

[pert -5]

I still say it's spam...  Karma (an eastern term adds mystique)?  MIND (in all capital letters)?  The same old web links?

Same "old web links"?  Perhaps if you would attempt to comprehend these links rather than allow your MIND to dismiss them by causing you to "think" the thoughts you express.... you would begin to perceive intuitively that what you think is in error, and the links contain Esoteric levels of understanding you are missing.  But if unable to do this, I understand.

Peace

Comprehend your links?  I would rather stick my face in a woodchipper.  MIND?  There you go again with that New Age BS.  The word "esoteric" needs to be thrown about these days methinks. 

[SWM]

"NSyg" would that be the permanent atom of the spiritual monad??

[docjp]

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Fear causes many people to become anxious, distraught, and discourteous. I'm sorry if that which you are unable to comprehend is frightening to you, and it is quite OK for you to "vent" your anxiety as projected disbelief.  My thirty years as a psychotherapist has armored me rather nicely for such venting.

Peace

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[docjp]

"NSyg" would that be the permanent atom of the spiritual monad??

NSgy as the permanent atom of the Spiritual monad?  I must look up "monad" and see what it is, and then  I will seek to answer.

Peace

[docjp]

Monad as in "single unit" or logic in which there is no second logic, then Neutral Spiritual Energy, or NSgy, would be the ultimate Source of all things, and thus presumably Truth.  But perhaps use of the term "monad" misrepresents its Reality in that NSgy refers to the Energy of God, and the Spiritual realm, which is permanent and Absolute, and quite beyond "logic" as that which might be held within ones brain or comprehended by thinking.

Peace

[pert -5]

Monad as in "single unit" or logic in which there is no second logic, then Neutral Spiritual Energy, or NSgy, would be the ultimate Source of all things, and thus presumably Truth.  But perhaps use of the term "monad" misrepresents its Reality in that NSgy refers to the Energy of God, and the Spiritual realm, which is permanent and Absolute, and quite beyond "logic" as that which might be held within ones brain or comprehended by thinking.

Peace

I have yet to see such an amalgamation as this on the planet...  "Neutral Spiritual Energy"?  Go chase that.

[SWM]

@pert-5

the closest you will see on this planet is HGA, which is an emanation of the monad.

[docjp]

I have yet to see such an amalgamation as this on the planet...  "Neutral Spiritual Energy"?  Go chase that.

The point is:  The "Whole Human Being" is composed of three simultaneously existing vibrational dimensions, only one of which is physical.  Using ones brain and physical senses, one can observe one of these dimensions ONLY.  To experience the other two dimensions of Man, one must use ones faculty of intuition.  This of course requires one to leave the comfort [and for some "safety" of the Left-Hemisphere of ones brain] and embrace the non-physical experience of ones http://about-psychology.com/intuition.html.

[pert -5]

The point is:  The "Whole Human Being" is composed of three simultaneously existing vibrational dimensions, only one of which is physical.  Using ones brain and physical senses, one can observe one of these dimensions ONLY.  To experience the other two dimensions of Man, one must use ones faculty of intuition.  This of course requires one to leave the comfort [and for some "safety" of the Left-Hemisphere of ones brain] and embrace the non-physical experience of ones http://about-psychology.com/intuition.html.

Now we're coming more into agreement.  I tend to attribute four dimensions to a person which are juxtaposed, one physical, the other three non-physical (that's the abridged version anyway, it's a tad more complex than that).  Heck, the philosophers of the East named seven.  I guess I just felt that your posts had a spam-esque feel to them, and in my ignorance I behaved irrationally.  And as I said in another thread, regarding irrational behavior, "it is stupid." (@ Vortex:  lol   ).  For what it's worth I apologize for puerile behavior, and perhaps we can discuss these matters to a greater extent in the future.

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I am VERY comfortable with the non-physical aspects of existence, FYI.  

[docjp]

[quote author=pert -5 link=topic=1374.msg8115#msg8115intuition.   Heck, the philosophers of the East named seven.   perhaps we can discuss these matters to a greater extent in the future.
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It is usually too difficult for people to juggle all the levels of energies which operate within the Whole human being, so I reduce these to just the three main ones: Physical; MIND [all caps to clearly differentiate it from the physical brain]; And the Spiritual dimension of Man.

It is my experience that it is rare for intellectuals to possess much awareness of the mystical dimensions of Man, or of Life.  I am pleased that you possess such understanding.

[pert -5]

It is usually too difficult for people to juggle all the levels of energies which operate within the Whole human being, so I reduce these to just the three main ones: Physical; MIND [all caps to clearly differentiate it from the physical brain]; And the Spiritual dimension of Man.

It is my experience that it is rare for intellectuals to possess much awareness of the mystical dimensions of Man, or of Life.  I am pleased that you possess such understanding.

You're calling me an intellectual!?  Thanks!  ...I think...

[docjp]

Not so much a compliment as simply indicating that many who think about things are often  limited to "thinking" and are unable to grasp the concept that there are parts of Man that exist that ones brain and thinking cannot perceive.  They "think" of these in the abstract, or as abstract ideas rather than actually experiencing these subtle energies themselves via their faculty of intuition [which I believe is part of what I refer to as the Apapsyche [operational Energy of the Soul] which is part of ones Spiritual dimension.

I refer to these parts [regardless how many one wants to consider] as Esoteric dimensions and these are only capable of being "experienced" via ones faculty of intuition.... whether one realizes this is what is providing one the awareness of these dimensions or not.

I speak of the MIND realm as being one such dimension [although the MIND is actually composed of a "higher level" and a "lower level" and the lower represents the "Astral" region of Creation, and the "higher level" represents the "Causal" region of Creation.  The third dimension of Man I speak of as composed of the Spiritual dimension.

[pert -5]

Not so much a compliment as simply indicating that many who think about things are often  limited to "thinking" and are unable to grasp the concept that there are parts of Man that exist that ones brain and thinking cannot perceive.  They "think" of these in the abstract, or as abstract ideas rather than actually experiencing these subtle energies themselves via their faculty of intuition [which I believe is part of what I refer to as the Apapsyche [operational Energy of the Soul] which is part of ones Spiritual dimension.

I refer to these parts [regardless how many one wants to consider] as Esoteric dimensions and these are only capable of being "experienced" via ones faculty of intuition.... whether one realizes this is what is providing one the awareness of these dimensions or not.

I speak of the MIND realm as being one such dimension [although the MIND is actually composed of a "higher level" and a "lower level" and the lower represents the "Astral" region of Creation, and the "higher level" represents the "Causal" region of Creation.  The third dimension of Man I speak of as composed of the Spiritual dimension.

Astral?  As in Astral Projection?  And Etheric Projection?  That's kid's stuff.  I had my first willed conscious Astral projection at the age of 15.  I can astrally project at will, usually in under 20 minutes.  And then there is the Mental region where you can walk around your thoughts and memories as if they were tangible things.  And no, these are not drug-addled fantasies.  They are the results of self-induced trance and meditation; of late supplemented by Yogin practices.  Are these what you refer to, or is it some other "Astral" operation?

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Oh, and on your Karma page, at the top it says "Kr from Sanskrit."  It is actually "Kri," which means "work" or "to do."  Karma is more akin to the Law of Inertia than the Golden Rule.  As Swami Vivekananda says, "all action is Karma."

[docjp]

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Oh, and on your Karma page, at the top it says "Kr from Sanskrit."  It is actually "Kri," which means "work" or "to do."  Karma is more akin to the Law of Inertia than the Golden Rule.  As Swami Vivekananda says, "all action is Karma."

Thanks for noting the Sanskrit error.  It has been corrected.

The only thing I know of "traveling" in realms other than the physical realm, is by awakening to higher truths inherent in higher realms of existence and available via intuition, since my "travel" is quite confined to essentially darkness, and occasionally flashes of light. My MIND and physical senses, in other words, are blocked while my intuition remains open.
I was initiated into a Spiritual path many years ago, and I have a very limited interest in the realms of Creation themselves.

Your ability to withdraw your "consciousness" and project it "within" more subtle realms of vibrational energies is unusual outside of those engaged in a prolonged study of yoga [perhaps your ability is the result of having studied in one or more previous lives?].  I would only share  what I was told, and that is that exposure to the "inner" realms does make one vulnerable to  assumptions which may be mistaken.

[pert -5]

Thanks for noting the Sanskrit error.  It has been corrected.

No problem.

I would only share  what I was told, and that is that exposure to the "inner" realms does make one vulnerable to  assumptions which may be mistaken.

That is a very important warning that anyone partaking in these endeavors should heed.  For me, that's where our motto, "The method of science, the aim of religion," comes into play.  I apply the scientific method to spiritual pursuits, rather than blind faith or prejudice.  By keeping detailed records and sharing them with peers one can dispel the chance of error-based assumption even more.  But your warning should still preface any account of method or relating experience.

[docjp]

Thanks for noting the Sanskrit error.  It has been corrected.

No problem.  I apply the scientific method to spiritual pursuits, rather than blind faith or prejudice.  By keeping detailed records and sharing them with peers one can dispel the chance of error-based assumption even more. 

I believe I would not want to limit myself by the limitations of others. Each Soul has accumulated a certain level or rung upon the Ladder of Life, and my experience is that those on the lower rungs tend to contribute little to ones growth, if what one seeks is the Truth that is only available on the higher rungs of the Ladder of Life.

[pert -5]

I believe I would not want to limit myself by the limitations of others. Each Soul has accumulated a certain level or rung upon the Ladder of Life, and my experience is that those on the lower rungs tend to contribute little to ones growth, if what one seeks is the Truth that is only available on the higher rungs of the Ladder of Life.

You don't want to limit yourself by the limitations of others? Are you omnipotent then?  I say you are a dumb fuck who utilizes "esoteric" (read: not popular) words to make yourself seem important.  You have an important message to teach?  Yeah, go suck on a glue gun you chunkhead.  The Law is for All.

[Big Psych]

Personality is the result of each person's own individual neural network of synapses, which forms from both genetic and environmental factors, duh.

[pert -5]

I believe I would not want to limit myself by the limitations of others. Each Soul has accumulated a certain level or rung upon the Ladder of Life, and my experience is that those on the lower rungs tend to contribute little to ones growth, if what one seeks is the Truth that is only available on the higher rungs of the Ladder of Life.

You don't want to limit yourself by the limitations of others? Are you omnipotent then?  I say you are a dumb fuck who utilizes "esoteric" (read: not popular) words to make yourself seem important.  You have an important message to teach?  Yeah, go suck on a glue gun you chunkhead.  The Law is for All.

*AHEM*  What I meant was that if you don't conduct a litmus test now and then on your own thoughts, you could descend into delusion.  You are not limiting yourself by what others think or say, you are merely receiving other peoples' perspectives.  Nothing more, nothing less.  

If you are the kind of person who says, "screw what others' say, I'm right," then you might, maybe, sometimes, kinda, perhaps, on occasion, be wrong...  Just a thought.  You're not really a dumb fuck docjp, you're more of an ambiguous one.  

[SWM]

@pert-5

the closest you will see on this planet is HGA, which is an emanation of the monad.

as an illustration, although not using the hermetic terminology so no reference to hga

[docjp]

It is possible that less than readily perceivable [Esoteric] phenomena can be grasped by someone who is psychic [but may not realize it], and the person "thinks" that it is his/her brain that has acquired the  unusual "bit" of higher reality.  In this case, perhaps some of the "moderating" matrix of the higher reality is missed, and the result might be a certain harshness in relating this higher reality via ones thinking?  In any case, there is little value served in disrespecting another person.
Peace