Truth?

[Bill Hemphill]

True or False?

Person Z says they are born gay, they claim to be a homosexual.

True or false . . . Person Z is born gay?    False. You can't be born gay. Not possible.

True or false . . . Person Z is a heterosexual? True. All humans are heterosexual. 

Truth is powerful in understanding the psyche.  Honesty tends to be cultural. A person claiming what they suspect.

[DevilsAdvocate]

If Person Z claims to be homosexual but you think otherwise, then how do you explain his attraction to men? Better yet, how do you know that humans are born with no sexuality? I would love to see the evidence you have to prove your theories. Please provide your sources in your reply.

[Enigma]

So basically this thread is going to boil down into a debate about whether or not homosexuality is a choice.  


This thread is stupid, and so is the OP.


Also why is this in parapsychology?

[DevilsAdvocate]

And here I thought he was going to lead it down the road of religion. Im interested in the conversation, but I really do not desire having a heated debate with hurt feelings as a result. Wouldnt it be more appropriate in the Personality or Relationships category? Good point, haha

[Bill Hemphill]

Devils Advocate, it's a matter of understanding energy. That's what it takes to understand the parapsychology involved in this thread concerning parapsychology.

If Person Z claims to be homosexual but you think otherwise, then how do you explain his attraction to men? Better yet, how do you know that humans are born with no sexuality? I would love to see the evidence you have to prove your theories. Please provide your sources in your reply.

I did not say people are not born with sexuality. They are heterosexual. Homosexuality is an attachment.

Truth can lead you through parapsychology in a comprehensive way.

[Bill Hemphill]

Enigma, keep up your attempt to understand the psyche. But, give up the drugs, they make you look stupid.

[Enigma]

they make you look stupid.

pot meet kettle.  you speak much but yet you say nothing. 

[voodoo scientist]

This doesn't have anything to do with parapsychology. The study of sexuality, and by extension homosexuality, is one of the most active fields in real psychology both now and in the past.

The question is flawed on two fundamental levels: do we know that homosexuality is always/never a choice, or even if it's entirely/not at all a choice? For instance, in fruit flies, sexual orientation is controlled by a single gene, and in one study researchers managed to 'flip' flies' sexual orientation back and forth within the same fly, which suggests a genetic component in human sexuality (though the findings may not necessarily generalize). However, in humans, it is common for homosexuals to live and function superficially in heterosexual relationships (at least until they 'come out'), indicating that some control over one's sexuality is possible for at least a period of time (though it is clearly not a sustainable practice). Either of the options provided would thus contradict at least one of these findings.

There is no such thing as truth.

[DevilsAdvocate]

To have a successful debate about this topic, all parties would need to have an open mind. This is a very open minded topic, only the close minded can not seem to understand the reasonings (which are not even neccessary) behind the attraction to the same sex. To prove this point, lets all observe how some will react to what I am about to say.... I am bisexual. I do not like using that term since every college girl who gets drunk and kisses a friend thinks she is bisexual. I have dated both men and women. Now please tell me Bill, what part of having a serious relationship with another woman screams heterosexual to you?

[voodoo scientist]

Sexuality isn't necessarily biological or even a cohesive entity. I don't usually speculate, so it should be noted this is wholly unsubstantiated.

It's entirely possible, even plausible, that there's 'cultural sexuality' or social sexuality in addition to biological sexuality. Some might even say that "cognitive" sexuality, or fantasies, is qualitatively different from real or "behavioral sexuality." Thus, different sexual attractions in the same person could well explain bisexuality as well as why homosexuals sometimes remain in long term committed relationships. One might have a cultural, social or other sexual attraction towards the same gender while retaining a biological attraction towards the other gender, or vice versa.

Again, speculation, but a personal model that's served me well as a thought framework for sexuality, especially since it is compatible with the single-sexuality biological model.

[Bill Hemphill]

Nice to hear from you everybody! The truth is that nobody is born with the drives that they have.

Only the energy that one feels to "do" something is "theirs". The urge to smoke. The urge is their subjective mind. One feels the energy and drives in the direction that the energy is attached to. In this case smoking.

Depending on how much energy is attached to a social(cultural) "component" decides how much of a part of their life it will play. Also, based on their personal beliefs it will be  positive or negative to their conscious.

As a person see's life unfold around them, attachments such as, playing video games, attaches itself to the mind and whether or not a person becomes addicted to playing video games depends on the amount of energy  accompanying the attachment.

Does this help you with your parapsychology. Or are you set in your mind that the only way for you to accept something to be parapsychological is if it makes no sense.

Devils advocate, you are looking at things sociologically. This forum is concerning Psychology. Psychology provides us with the reasons why people behave the way they do while sociology merely  describes what a person did. Psychology is an exercise in  the truth. But it seems as though nearly everybody in Psychology neither respects the truth or understands it.

[Bill Hemphill]

DevilsAdvocate, you are a heterosexual who according to you has had same sex relations, voluntarily.

You are genetically heterosexual. Screamingly heterosexual. It is impossible to be born bisexual. Hope this helps you. Of course it's tour ridht to act the way you wish.

[Enigma]

The truth is that nobody is born with the drives that they have.

So the need to eat, sleep, drink, and shit just suddenly appears out of nowhere after we're born?

[Bill Hemphill]

If you feel driven to do these things, It would suggest you have an addiction. In the mean time just take some Pepto Bismol.

[Enigma]

Do you even know what the word drive refers to?

Hint: it doesn't mean addiction

[Bill Hemphill]

When a person feels a drive to drink, they feel their subjective mind telling them what they desire in order to release pleasure chemicals from the brain. That's part of the addiction.

Tell us your explanation by all means. Go for it.

[Bill Hemphill]

I believe addiction occurs when a person tells them self to not do something that they have had a drive to do such as drink.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Bill, so are you saying that a person's sexuality is a delusion? If I describe my sexuality as anything other then heterosexual, then am I delusional? Since you obviously have the answers about the worlds' desires and passions, then you must have a reason behind their delusional minds. Clearly there must be a mental illness to blame?

[Bill Hemphill]

DevilsAdvocate, it's your self relied on set of beliefs that blinds you from the truth and makes you put faith in your self understandings.

Pride precedes a fall. I hope this you will understand. It may set you free.

[Bill Hemphill]

By the way DevilsAdvocate, I detect an intelligent thinking structure in your responses. Your pride shows strong but the intelligence seems to be there in a promising way for you.

[voodoo scientist]

Attribution theory (which is what you are effectively describing, not parapsychology) cannot fully explain human sexuality. Additionally, your use of the word 'drive' is nonsense in psychology terms and your use in this context will need more exact definition to be useful to anyone but you. A drive is distinctly different from an addiction in psychology, while in layman's terms they're often interchangeable.

Lastly, something is only parapsychology if it makes no sense. That is the definition of 'parapsychology'; the moment it begins to make sense, it becomes real 'psychology' (that's why there are no 'successful parapsychologists' and never will be). You should spend more time examining your beliefs and less time making value judgments about the people you talk to online.

[Bill Hemphill]

Voodoo, Attribution theory is what you are doing when you make false claims of another as you just did in the previous post.

I am speaking of truth. This is a thread about truth.  Parapsychology is traceable through truth.

I have studied Sexology for over 30 years on and off.

LASTLY, in your final paragraph, you state that you are an idiot. I feel sorry for you.

If it helps, I'll give you a hint as to help you maybe understand Psychology instead of memorizing some things you heard said or read. You are mixing apples with oranges and thinking it's all the same. Learn to better define the knowledge that you definitely have and you might be able to understand Psychology and even have a productive discussion with me and DevilsAdvocate or whoever else about Parapsychology. At least she seems to want to know about it. You just want to tell people they are wrong via attribution theory.

[Enigma]

When a person feels a drive to drink, they feel their subjective mind telling them what they desire in order to release pleasure chemicals from the brain. That's part of the addiction.

Tell us your explanation by all means. Go for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_theory

[Bill Hemphill]

Alright Enigma, I see your position.

The reason my insights  don't always agree with your knowledge is that I am questioning the theories of those great people from the past that admitted that they could not figure out how the mind works.

It's a shame that we publish their theories only for students of the subject including professors not to understand what theory means. It's a mistake for someone to hold everyone else to an old theory that does not hold up. But if that is what you have to believe in order to pass Psychology, then that's what you believe.

Take a tip. It's energy.

[Bill Hemphill]

Enigma, I would like to hear your explanation, go for it.

[Enigma]

Just pointing out that you're treading on established terminology with your own subjective definitions.  If you want to refute  psychological theory then by all means go right ahead (that is what science is about) but watch your choice of words.  This is a forum for psychology so that's how I'm going to interpret your terminology.

[Bill Hemphill]

I was hoping that I had found a forum where I could speak more in depth and correct about psychology. I am someone who has scored perfect scores on IQ tests numerous times in my life from the time I was a child and my fascination is with the mind.

I understand the psyche and can cure people of their ills in short time.

I've recently became more understanding of philosophy and its role in the mind.

It's difficult to find a forum where others are capable of engaging in discussion concerning psychology versus what they have been told. I'm speaking of understanding.

I do wish you well. One day I'll find a forum where people are willing to discuss psychology beyond the limits of a 97% failure rate. That's clearly a sign that the institutional education people receive is in need of an adjustment. Good day man.

[Enigma]

I don't think there's many pseudo-intellectual bullshit discussion forums out there but good luck.

[voodoo scientist]

It's difficult to achieve understanding when you actively refuse to make any sense. Like many other pseudo-intellectuals - an excellent choice of term, by the way - you hide behind vague term definitions and the shill claim that it's not your ideas that are incoherent, it's the recipients of your message that are too stupid to understand your "truth."

"Attribution theory is what you are doing when you make false claims of another"? I find it very hard to believe that you've studied sexology, particularly as it relates to sexual orientation and homosexuality in any meaningful sense for even one year, much less 30, without learning attribution theory. How people make attributions and what the effects of those attributions on other aspects of cognition and behavior are are some of the most central topics in understanding human psychology.

You also appear to lack considerable knowledge about parapsychology. There are many incidents of "parapsychological" phenomena eventually being explained and included into real psychology, the most famous of which is the near death experience - it's not that long ago that near death experiences were considered a bogus phenomenon or outright hoaxes, but they have since become more accepted and would not be considered parapsychological at all by most psychologists.

[Bill Hemphill]

I did not simply study Psychology . . . I have mastered the mind. I can draw a diagram of the personality, correctly.

The 100% that you cannot help, I CAN HELP THEM ALL. Use the TRUTH. We are in disagreement because you believe things that are false and have some sort of poor guidance. I walk with the Truth.

You piss ants put a negative mark on my Karma line. What losers.