Remote influencing ?

[ellion]

Remote influencing has been become popular to describe the application of psychokinesis to biological systems. This may be to impact either positively or negatively upon health, alter mood, or influence decision making.

[ozziemate]

Just an opinion based on experience....


It also has the potential to make people very angry and intolerant...as it sets up a SDV or Self Determination Violation. A violation against that persons free will, thus an afront to their devine nature.
"great care needed when attempting to psych influence , spell cast or do anything that amounts to "destineering"
Most major wars are fought on this issue in less than sublime ways I might add due not only to psych influenceing either.
Most persons caught up in the "god complex" by experiences of the power of influence usually end up in psychiatric facilities seriously denigrated for their beliefs and socially destroyed. [A state fo Hell yes?] Society at large instinctively acknowledges this "crime" against "self" and reacts instinctively and accordingly...punishment is usually quite significant, both karmically and social.

So great care is needed when practicing this area of psychiic pheno...influence with consent is one thing influence without concent is another...

[SWM]

i think we may have met in a former life,
QQ?

[ozziemate]

i think we may have met in a former life,
QQ?

certainly at a former forum.....ha....send me a PM if you want to maintain your cloak of obscurity....! ha

[SWM]

you would not remember me but you might remember the name of this topics starter, ellion. i am not sure what you might remember of him, a developing medium, with a good understanding of telepathy.

[ozziemate]

you would not remember me but you might remember the name of this topics starter, ellion. i am not sure what you might remember of him, a developing medium, with a good understanding of telepathy.

well duh! How did I already know that Ellion was Ellion..... who happens to be someone else as well...[chuckle] If I recall something about dream lovers was our oops his  uhmm no our. will do, last discussion.

His typing voice is relatively clear....so I wonder how Ellion is these days. If his "involvement" in this forum is any indication then he is doing reasonably well I think and I am glad that he is.

However I wonder about the difficuties mixing mainstream psychology with parapsychology as a serious subject is going to work out....due to conflicts of evidencial support.

[ellion]

you would not remember me but you might remember the name of this topics starter, ellion. i am not sure what you might remember of him, a developing medium, with a good understanding of telepathy.

well duh! How did I already know that Ellion was Ellion..... who happens to be someone else as well...[chuckle] If I recall something about dream lovers was our oops his  uhmm no our. will do, last discussion.

His typing voice is relatively clear....so I wonder how Ellion is these days. If his "involvement" in this forum is any indication then he is doing reasonably well I think and I am glad that he is.

i am,  very well, thanks.

However I wonder about the difficuties mixing mainstream psychology with parapsychology as a serious subject is going to work out....due to conflicts of evidencial support.

it is intersting. i am employed by nhs UK and much of what i do for them is evidence based interventions. however personal experience and client/patient experience says that biomedical models of psychological disease/disorder are seriously flawed. i still have strong spiritual/parapscyhological experiences and they cannot be accounted for or explained in any of the scientific models that i am aware of.

i was never realy interested in debating beliefs, in the sense that i recognise that all things are true for the individual in thier reality. whatever one believes it might as well be true for that individual.  i am interested in the mechanics of such and how people manifest, expereince, process and express their realities.  but i dont bother with debates such we often see on forums ie "this is true" "thats not true" "prove it" "you cannot prove a negative" "blah blah blah"

anyway dreams, i dont remember that one. although yes i was very interested at that time in dreams and precognitions.

[ozziemate]

possibly astral plane intimacyrelationships with entities is another way of puting it...

If you have lurked around the previous forum recenty you may have seen some interesting "mechanics" posting made by myself. There is actually sound scientific theory which is nearly ready for publication to explain psychic phenonema and some aspects of parapsychology etc etc...
However the publication will only happen if it co-incides with rather dramatic and doubt removing evidence that all persons can relate to. Until then it s just mere theory to support what general public/scientific interest will be rather than what it currently is.

[ellion]

oh yes i remember that conversation,

it was about telepathic boundary violations. accessing personal experiences that may be embarressing to the individuals concerned.

[ozziemate]

You may of course be aware that most people have no idea off the power of their fantasies and thoughts and how malicious they can be with out realising that their imaginings do have consequences.
Violating telepathic boundaries is like realising that what happens in the astral/dream world should be no different if not better than what happens in the conscious relam. Behave as you would if you were dealing with people in the conscious realm. The strict privacy laws that most modern countries arejust as applicable in the astral world as they are in the conscious world. The key word of course is respect. IMO

related to this topic as stated if people think they can psych influence [ coerse ] another person and get away with it with impunity due to conscious ignorance I suggest they think again

[ellion]

thinking more about, a boundary violation as in, accessing other peoples experiences. mental tresspassing if you will.


on topic, the nature of this subject will teach the individual what they need to learn by personal experience the results of this learning curve being quite disasterous for some individuals.

[ellion]

did we at one time agree that some symptoms of mental illness where due to boudary violations through the  loosening or desintegration of the boundaries of the mental bodies of some susceptible individuals

[ozziemate]

did we at one time agree that some symptoms of mental illness where due to boudary violations through the  loosening or desintegration of the boundaries of the mental bodies of some susceptible individuals

Yes we did and my opinion hasn't changed that much since then [3.5 years ago] either.

There is no doubt that when one accepts the reality of psychic phenonema especially the area of tresspass and boundary violations and how society as a whole, universally, will react instinctively to that tresspass IMO  most if not all socio mental illnesses, dysfunction has it's causality in the sharp learning curve needed by those persons who "stumble" upon the realisation of some of their "power of influence" and depending on that persons moral upbringing and inclinations can be extraordinarillly punishing to that persons life.

We live in an ignorant world that uses that ignorance as  a veil to protect their self esteem and vested interests. When that veil is threatened the persons ego/will is automatically refexing to secure the ego's sanctuary. Some will also use igorance as a way of getting what they want from someone else but I can assure you at certain levels of consciousness there is absolute awareness of what is going on by every one [ universally ]
So if deliberate coersion in a psychic sense is applied then it is no different than rape, hostage taking, or false imprisonment and society reacts and punishes accordingly and not always with the morality of a modern society either.

So when it comes to the power of influence the hardest thing to realise amongst the euphoria of grandeous power complex and arousal that asking first and accepting no as the answer is what it takes to survive this dreadfull predicament of compulsion [ which is inveriably the case ] ignorance and arrogance.
{the power of influence is incredibly addictive}

[ozziemate]

thinking more about, a boundary violation as in, accessing other peoples experiences. mental tresspassing if you will.


on topic, the nature of this subject will teach the individual what they need to learn by personal experience the results of this learning curve being quite disasterous for some individuals.

unfortunately even in ideal circumstances almost all persons do not live long enough to learn all they need to learn to be comfortable with this particular psychic pheno attribute.

It's sort of like "The God complex says :"so you want to play God eh! Well lesson number one is that you have to learn to suffer as God does...now if and when you have succeeded with that lesson we shall move on to the next one...."

How do you feel about this topic Ellion? You appear to have a strong grasp on it.....

[ellion]

about the topic of remote influence, i am not certain, i have not found the need to explore it, i do not find it useful or important, i am connected to a greater purpose than myself and my personal desires, as such i have no need to influence things in this way. if there is something that is important for my life or my work then i trust i will either find it along my path or have it provided for me.

however, i am always interested in discussing such pheneoma.

the god complex sounds good,

i did not have any books,  

i learnt through suffering.

[ozziemate]

i did not have any books, 

i learnt through suffering.

like wise for me....

[ellion]

i wonder what you learnt through your suffering?

i only just noticed your other post from today.

did we at one time agree that some symptoms of mental illness where due to boudary violations through the  loosening or desintegration of the boundaries of the mental bodies of some susceptible individuals

Yes we did and my opinion hasn't changed that much since then [3.5 years ago] either.

There is no doubt that when one accepts the reality of psychic phenonema especially the area of tresspass and boundary violations and how society as a whole, universally, will react instinctively to that tresspass IMO  most if not all socio mental illnesses, dysfunction has it's causality in the sharp learning curve needed by those persons who "stumble" upon the realisation of some of their "power of influence" and depending on that persons moral upbringing and inclinations can be extraordinarillly punishing to that persons life.

We live in an ignorant world that uses that ignorance as  a veil to protect their self esteem and vested interests. When that veil is threatened the persons ego/will is automatically refexing to secure the ego's sanctuary. Some will also use igorance as a way of getting what they want from someone else but I can assure you at certain levels of consciousness there is absolute awareness of what is going on by every one [ universally ]
So if deliberate coersion in a psychic sense is applied then it is no different than rape, hostage taking, or false imprisonment and society reacts and punishes accordingly and not always with the morality of a modern society either.

So when it comes to the power of influence the hardest thing to realise amongst the euphoria of grandeous power complex and arousal that asking first and accepting no as the answer is what it takes to survive this dreadfull predicament of compulsion [ which is inveriably the case ] ignorance and arrogance.
{the power of influence is incredibly addictive}

you seem to focus on the morality and ethics of these subjects, is that a true observation, or do i misinterpret your communication?

[ozziemate]

I believe that personal mental hygene, a high standard of integrity and emotional maturity is essential for any successful development of Psychic ability.
Ethical behaviour not unlike how you would behave in the conscious world and as it stands even more so due to global ignorance is essential notonly for the psychic's future health but also for the health of the community in general.
case study:

I met this young lady a few years ago who was very adapt at entering a persons mind, reading what she wanted to know and leave and with not even a smile to indicate she had come and gone.
I fortunately for her was able to feel her footprint and basically confronted her with what she was doing. I explained to her that to enter someones sanctuary [ house] one must behave accordingly as a guest should behave. Not go prying through the cupboards, lifting floor mats and looking behind books in a book shelf but behave with all due respect to the host. I suggested that she should choose to knock first before entering someones home and her life will improve significantly. [ She was always at war with people and couldn't undertsand why they were so nasty to her.]

Since then she has slowly learned how to ask in a way that doesn't frighten nor intimidate the host and her relationships have changed accordingly...not easy I might add and still very troubled....due to other issues in her life's psychic developments and she has been able to be indifferent to other peoples thoughts. [ not interested so much in reading as she was under compulsion any way]

People do not normally have conscious awareness of someone elses footprint however they normally get extremely agitated and intolerant in irrational ways due to the feelings that well up in to the persons consciousness when they see or hear the reader. [irrational triggering]
So yes ethical conduct is essential to any chance of success when undergoing these sorts of psychic developments.
As to me personally I have become use to intrusive enquirers and have learned to tolerate ther fossicking and curiosity, understanding that most of the time with rare exceptions, they are not actually aware they are doing it. So I am constantly being "read" so to speak and I don't care that much as I do not have anything to hide. Of course most people do not know that I know what they're doing.... but eh! so what?

[liza123]

Remote influencing has been become popular to describe the application of psychokinesis to biological systems. This may be to impact either positively or negatively upon health, alter mood, or influence decision making.

Sorry. But, what is remote influencing? How does one go about it?

I have had psychic dreams. The problem is interpreting some of them. Any suggestions, ellion or ozziemate?

[SWM]

dreams we can do, well, i can help you interpret your own, open a topic with your dream in the dreaming and unconsciousnes section of the forum.  as much detail as you can.

[liza123]

Oh, sorry, SWM. I forgot about the dream section. BTW, I wanted to know in a 'general way' instead of interpretation for specific dreams. But, never mind, I will check out that section and maybe post some dream examples there for interpretation.

But, the other question about remote influencing still stands. I am interested to know.

[SWM]

Oh, sorry, SWM. I forgot about the dream section. BTW, I wanted to know in a 'general way' instead of interpretation for specific dreams. But, never mind, I will check out that section and maybe post some dream examples there for interpretation.

!no problem, it is still better to open a thread describing what you would like to know. something like; general principles for dream interpretation

[SWM]

Sorry. But, what is remote influencing? How does one go about it?

the topic is about influencing objects (including the minds of others) using thought without any (or at least minimal) physical contact of the object being influenced. ususally these subjects fall under the umbrella term of telepathic or psychic phenomena.

parapsychology or pseudoscience.

"how does one go about it?" people develop in a variety of ways. there are some basic exercises that can be learned to begin to develop psychically. the most commong exercise being meditation learning to control your own mind and emotions. if an individual cannot control their own mind and emotion they will only bring themselves problems when they begin to awaken to psychic phenomena.

[liza123]

thanks for your explanation, SWM. With a strong mind, I suppose that you could do remote influencing. Perhaps, that explains some unusual phenomena which happens in the world.

[lester]

Sorry. But, what is remote influencing? How does one go about it?

the topic is about influencing objects (including the minds of others) using thought without any (or at least minimal) physical contact of the object being influenced. ususally these subjects fall under the umbrella term of telepathic or psychic phenomena.

parapsychology or pseudoscience.

"how does one go about it?" people develop in a variety of ways. there are some basic exercises that can be learned to begin to develop psychically. the most commong exercise being meditation learning to control your own mind and emotions. if an individual cannot control their own mind and emotion they will only bring themselves problems when they begin to awaken to psychic phenomena.

so,
this can also be called "psychic attack" or "psychic interference"?

[ozziemate]

so,
this can also be called "psychic attack" or "psychic interference"?

All persons apply psychic remote influence and conventional influence upon others decisions all the time in various degrees upon others that they know of and others that are unknown to them. It is a part of how the whole interrelationship thing happens. When one becomes aware of this remote influencing we often see symptoms often associated with schizophrenia but most of the time it manifests in a more sublime way in the form of intolerance, anger, conflict and out right warfare.

The greatest reason for world conflict at both micro and macro scales IMO is because we are inadvertently influencing each other in ways that are lacking in the respect needed to do it properly.

So IMO yes remote influencing could be interpreted as deliberate psychic attack or psychic interferrance. However most of the time [like 99.99999%] of the time it is generated at a subconscious level, reflexive and unable to be controlled by the perpetrator therefore the "schizphrenic" or clairvoyant etc will exhibit paranoia as he can not justify his experience in normal ways and paradoid also because the event of influencing is a daily common occurance that the victim "feels" is unique to him only. Again because he is unable to evidence his account properly due to the sublime way the act of influence is performed under. The world is an obusive place when it comes to the psychic realm mainly due to ignorance and denial. IMO

[lester]

so,
this can also be called "psychic attack" or "psychic interference"?

All persons apply psychic remote influence and conventional influence upon others decisions all the time in various degrees upon others that they know of and others that are unknown to them. It is a part of how the whole interrelationship thing happens. When one becomes aware of this remote influencing we often see symptoms often associated with schizophrenia but most of the time it manifests in a more sublime way in the form of intolerance, anger, conflict and out right warfare.

The greatest reason for world conflict at both micro and macro scales IMO is because we are inadvertently influencing each other in ways that are lacking in the respect needed to do it properly.

So IMO yes remote influencing could be interpreted as deliberate psychic attack or psychic interferrance. However most of the time [like 99.99999%] of the time it is generated at a subconscious level, reflexive and unable to be controlled by the perpetrator therefore the "schizphrenic" or clairvoyant etc will exhibit paranoia as he can not justify his experience in normal ways and paradoid also because the event of influencing is a daily common occurance that the victim "feels" is unique to him only. Again because he is unable to evidence his account properly due to the sublime way the act of influence is performed under. The world is an obusive place when it comes to the psychic realm mainly due to ignorance and denial. IMO

thanks for the info,
you, ellion and SWM seem to know a lot about this psychic attack thing.

can you guys give me some help with the problem im having?
i already created a topic, located here:
http://psychology-forum.com/parapsychology/negative-energy-coming-from-neighbor-house/

[hortonpilot]

Ozziemate,

"related to this topic as stated if people think they can psych influence [ coerse ] another person and get away with it with impunity due to conscious ignorance I suggest they think again".

This is an interesting area, what reading references ?

You say the culprits do not operate with impunity.
What is the mechanism that operates the checks and balance?

Many times in life i have seen a natural form of justice operate which to my mind is very heavy handed.
Indeed so heavy handed it makes you wince!

I lead a life were i try to have a positive impact and i work always with a good heart,daily i see the way consideration and a smile can make a difference within the NHS.

In examining some of my past grievances i see that the culprits very often do not escape scot free.
 And i had more or less considered on the evidence of the past that i am a risky person to cross. I never do anything , it just happens eventually?


Horton

[ozziemate]

When it comes to the deliberate and malicious abuse of the "freewill" of another person by way of psychic coersion, the universal collective [aka God] can be utterly ruthless in dispensing it's needs. This I know with absolute certainty.
Conventional abuse of free will using conventional methods is left up to humanity to deal with...if you know what I mean... [Hitler, Saddam Husein, and the like for example]
But for those who wish to use a "cauldron" and "frogs legs" as a way of determining someone elses destiny they are looking at huge negative possibilities for their own life...as instinctive psychic retribution can be incredibly nasty...
This is why grounding properly is essential if one wants to dabble in the "Arts" or occult.

Example:
A shop specialising in crystals and clairvoyance [ tarrot ] had a sign over it's shelves saying "if thou shalt shoplift you will be cursed".
This is a real no no as the shop owners found out [ closed down in 3 months ] Using the psychic realm for personal use is a really tricky business and not recommended.

When the collective "concords" and acts, it acts with out notice, warning or any mercy...so deliberate attempts to coerse someones free will even when seeking only justice can bring about a worse result than the crime that prompted the seeking in the first place.
I have found this to be a "instinctive reaction by the universal collective and not a premeditated one, as freewill is sacrosanct and incredibly reactive to abuse.

just a few thoughts....

[hortonpilot]

As i get older and able to look at things with some impartiality i think i see more of the workings,
but i also see on a daily basis the most malicious behavior to others for no apparent reason.
Treachery and greed get the better of many people.
What happens to these people?

For me i just want a peaceful life for myself and family but it becomes increasingly difficult with the new ethos of FU that many adopt.
I outlined some of my troubles in," the neighbor from hell" topic  on these boards.
The person is a nutter and is always surrounded by conflict.

I have not spoken to this person for two years but there is always some issue , nearby farm , part joins. For me i am cooperative with people and don't see the need for conflict  if at all possible.
Recently the neighbors marriage dissolved and with two heavy mortgages there will be a settlement for sure as the other person has moved on, which will be interesting as the other was the real bread-winner.
Supreme court case was lost by the same as well as other on-going legals and disputes.

This might all end up getting worse and end very badly.

But in the meantime i just want peace in my life  and not be brought into the neighbors troubles by just being in the vicinity.

Horton