Negative energy coming from neighbor house

[ozziemate]

What's your entry into this world?

I would rather not get into it too deeply at this stage...

Also have you come across these people who have large number of animals they look after poorly and end up before the RSPCA for animal abuse?

actually it varies significantly.

However those who are seriously caught up in the power game [aka compulsive remote influencing] tend to vent their frustrations due to failure, out on animals including those in the care of others. Serious abuse can occur and generally is a precurser to eventual legally enforced psychiatric care.

At the point where energy is badly depleted do they get violent

At the point where they are unable to control their reflexes due to severe fatigue which leads to the loss of self control of built up frustration.
Eyes start to twitch, muscle cramping, inability to think rationally, shower, bathe, feed themselves and a whole host of dysfunctions, mostly hidden but later unable to be hidden as the condition progresses which it must ultimately do. [ unless proper psychic learning therapy is applied which under the current medication approach by the West is currently impossible.]
The Eastern Practice of Yoga has much to offer by way of learning how to deal with these conditions if applied in a very distinct way. [Yoga is a lot more than just meditation and breathing exercises BTW]

[ozziemate]

Where can I get me some of this energy?

Sound understanding of and practice of Yogic principles, proper grounding in things of value, such as love , harmony and gratitude.
Receiving genuine gratitude from others is the greatest source of "useful" and comfortable energy. [ I have found from experience ]
So generosity towards others, self forgiveness, self affection, compassion directed properly and rationally will lead to a better energistic state.
It may sound axiomatic but what most persons try to do is actually what we need to be more successful at; That being "a nice, sophisticated, mature and gentle person"

[hortonpilot]

*It may sound axiomatic but what most persons try to do is actually what we need to be more successful at; That being "a nice, sophisticated, mature and gentle person"

Not at all. Makes sense .

*"However those who are seriously caught up in the power game [aka compulsive remote influencing] tend to vent their frustrations due to failure, out on animals including those in the care of others."
So the persons who you see with 50 cats in a flat or 40 dogs in a suburban home fall into the paradigm?

Behavior to have numbers of animals based on neurotic stuff rather than practical needs?
Animals serve the person's needs to how  otherwise when they consume so much time and money ?

We have been in drought for the last ten years and person still has 100 horses on bits of borrowed land all over the place , own property has compacted soil, so there is no grass there.

Extreme dysfunctional childhood, no father , poverty ,social isolation from criminal behavior of family,
constant trouble with the law.

Later desire for some respectability seems to be important , but no shift in errant behavior.
Teams up with other losers driven "to stick it up the town".

* Why me as a victim?


My daughter 10 said the other day that the sheep straying heavily infested with lice might be let out deliberately so as to infect our flock?
Is this too much of a stress.

I am at the point where i need to deceide whether or not just to sell-up ,or if the person will self destruct in the near future....

Horton

[ozziemate]

So the persons who you see with 50 cats in a flat or 40 dogs in a suburban home fall into the paradigm?

Behavior to have numbers of animals based on neurotic stuff rather than practical needs?
Animals serve the person's needs to how  otherwise when they consume so much time and money ?

An awful lot is tied up with self esteem. Most of our behaviour is driven by self esteem issues.  A cat lady for example who keeps extreme numbers of cats could be amongst many possibilities compensating for the low esteem she feels she gets from other humans and is generally replacing her need for self esteem with her feline borders. She has probably tuned into the cats needs for affection and sustinance, reflecting or seeing her own problems onto them, whihc is why "cat ladies" are rarely of means [ wealth ] and generally dirt poor and struggling to sustain their own existance let alone that of her charges. Sometimes it is also a severe maternal need which is unfulfilled that is driving the need for so many dependant cats.

"The need to be needed " is a very strong motivator I might add, and the cats need her which diminishes her inherant depression.

We have been in drought for the last ten years and person still has 100 horses on bits of borrowed land all over the place , own property has compacted soil, so there is no grass there.

Extreme dysfunctional childhood, no father , poverty ,social isolation from criminal behaviour of family,
constant trouble with the law.

Later desire for some respectability seems to be important , but no shift in errant behaviour.
Teams up with other losers driven "to stick it up the town".

* Why me as a victim?


My daughter 10 said the other day that the sheep straying heavily infested with lice might be let out deliberately so as to infect our flock?
Is this too much of a stress

People with the condition you have been describing have very little capacity to manage any business that requires proper vision and thought. Especially animal husbandry which is a disaster waiting to happen.
The demands of nurturing livestock requires a certain patience and methodology yes? All of which your neighbour appears to be lacking.

As to whether he has deliberately infected your stock we can not know, however it may because of the energistic distortions occurring appear that way to you leading to your own form of paranoia.

Unfortunately if you have a young family it would probably be wiser to seriously consider moving as when the neighbours condition finally progresses to it’s typical outcome he will probably bring about a lot of collateral damage and it would be best to protect your family from such a potential outcome.
The sad thing about all this is that this type of situation is happening all over the world and it is mainly due to the current close mindedness [ fear ]as to what is actually happening to generate such a  situation.
When any family has a member that has developed these types of symptoms it is always and I mean always a family tragedy that society tries to remove itself from therefore exasperating the situation due to isolation and paranoia.
The greatest fear of the law enforcement officers will no doubt be the precarious nature of these people suffering such conditions as the police have no means to protect them selves pre-emptively, generally having to wait until the law is invoked by some major incident.

There is always a heap of pain and anguish associated and unfortunately your turn to deal with it has come up like so many other “innocent” bystanders.

[hortonpilot]

Thanks self esteem issues were what i had thought and she also associates with people who have the same . A couple things stood out as this being a major driving force for her.

From my point of view i don't greatly care what people think, approval doesn't concern me , but ethical behavior does, so getting into her head-space and understanding where she is coming from needs me to think differently.

"As to whether he has deliberately infected your stock we can not know, however it may because of the energistic distortions occurring appear that way to you leading to your own form of paranoia."

As far as paranoia , it is difficult to work out what is happening , i just try to look at the evidence , but there have been some events that made me wonder at what the boundaries of normal behavior arm.
I am fairly certain that we have had young lambs a week or so old taken from their mothers.
This is beyond the boundary of normal behavior and what people do on the land.
There have been a few events that have been very extreme and beyond ..................
So all the time events are pushed beyond what i expect, i try to remain very cautious in making judgments of what is happening.
Many times my gut-feelings and impressions have been correct . This is a pity as it in part taints my view .
So all the time the line between paranoia and reality is very blurred.
I return to the reality of what i think is actually happening in terms of the events and take the objective position.

Any particular reason for me ?

Proximity?

Horton

[ozziemate]

well the way to deal with this confusion is to actually deal with facts and facts only.
If you can show good reason to believe young lambs are being taken from their mothers prematurely and by theft then this fact stands out as very troubling indeed!
It possibly means if true that he or someone is using the lambs as symbolic retiribution for the crimes they feel have been committed against them by nature/universe life etc etc...
How many children do you have?

[ozziemate]

Also the way I see it is this...
You are posting on a forum and have repeatedly stated your concerns regarding this neighbour. This is sufficient to send warning bells off for me and suggest that you make plans to remove yourself and your family from the situation as soon as possible.
Ensure that your children are not seen by this man in particular and follow your instincts even if you fear that they may be a little paranoic....If you feel unconfortable about your childrens safety near this person say even down the shopping precint then it's time to move...

[ozziemate]

Imagine you have no farm investment there and are casually renting a house or something only. Would this change your decision making process?

[hortonpilot]

We don't live on the property otherwise it would be intolerable.
I get out there every second day and at the weekends.

The business with the lambs did trouble me as i was very reluctant to think anyone would take animals from the mothers. very disturbing behavior
But it hard to ignore the fact that counted lambs go missing year after year .
Natural predators leave a trace in most cases.
But it is all about numbers that are not there.

The safety issue is on my mind , but since it has become public i feel the situation better. For sure i am not going to take risks involving the children.


My struggle is really that the relevant authorities , police ,RSPCA, council etc can't act, so they say without absolute proof ............caught lock, stock and barrel doing something .
The something well happen , so it is a thingy where a caution would prevent escalation of things but it needs to escalate according to them to do something.

However she has entered the property recently by unbolting the locked gate .
Supposedly i imagine under the excuse of looking for stray stock.
The kids sensed there was something wrong as the sheep came up to us , in a scared and nervous state, looking for protection .

I say this hesitantly , but i feel a wake of bad energy left  behind, frantic tyre marks, gates not left shut properly , you feel the peace has been disturbed .

Apathy by locals who have put up with it for years annoys me , i am careful what i say but it has been going on a long time for others as well.

The local copper knows what is happening but it seems a normal person is easier to enforce the law to , is this the bottom line?

Horton

[lester]

We don't live on the property otherwise it would be intolerable.
I get out there every second day and at the weekends.

The business with the lambs did trouble me as i was very reluctant to think anyone would take animals from the mothers. very disturbing behavior
But it hard to ignore the fact that counted lambs go missing year after year .
Natural predators leave a trace in most cases.
But it is all about numbers that are not there.

The safety issue is on my mind , but since it has become public i feel the situation better. For sure i am not going to take risks involving the children.


My struggle is really that the relevant authorities , police ,RSPCA, council etc can't act, so they say without absolute proof ............caught lock, stock and barrel doing something .
The something well happen , so it is a thingy where a caution would prevent escalation of things but it needs to escalate according to them to do something.

However she has entered the property recently by unbolting the locked gate .
Supposedly i imagine under the excuse of looking for stray stock.
The kids sensed there was something wrong as the sheep came up to us , in a scared and nervous state, looking for protection .

I say this hesitantly , but i feel a wake of bad energy left  behind, frantic tyre marks, gates not left shut properly , you feel the peace has been disturbed .

Apathy by locals who have put up with it for years annoys me , i am careful what i say but it has been going on a long time for others as well.

The local copper knows what is happening but it seems a normal person is easier to enforce the law to , is this the bottom line?

Horton

have you improved the infrastructure of the property?

i mean better fences, stronger gates, etc... so that no one could have access to your property or take what belongs to you.

[hortonpilot]

Lester,

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We don't live on the property otherwise it would be intolerable.
I get out there every second day and at the weekends.

The business with the lambs did trouble me as i was very reluctant to think anyone would take animals from the mothers. very disturbing behavior
But it hard to ignore the fact that counted lambs go missing year after year .
Natural predators leave a trace in most cases.
But it is all about numbers that are not there.

The safety issue is on my mind , but since it has become public i feel the situation better. For sure i am not going to take risks involving the children.


My struggle is really that the relevant authorities , police ,RSPCA, council etc can't act, so they say without absolute proof ............caught lock, stock and barrel doing something .
The something well happen , so it is a thingy where a caution would prevent escalation of things but it needs to escalate according to them to do something.

However she has entered the property recently by unbolting the locked gate .
Supposedly i imagine under the excuse of looking for stray stock.
The kids sensed there was something wrong as the sheep came up to us , in a scared and nervous state, looking for protection .

I say this hesitantly , but i feel a wake of bad energy left  behind, frantic tyre marks, gates not left shut properly , you feel the peace has been disturbed .

Apathy by locals who have put up with it for years annoys me , i am careful what i say but it has been going on a long time for others as well.

The local copper knows what is happening but it seems a normal person is easier to enforce the law to , is this the bottom line?

Horton

have you improved the infrastructure of the property?

i mean better fences, stronger gates, etc... so that no one could have access to your property or take what belongs to you."


In real life nothing stops people except their good conduct or a bullet.

Fences, can be jumped , climbed or cut.

Gates the same, doors kicked in.

Horton

[lester]

Lester,

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We don't live on the property otherwise it would be intolerable.
I get out there every second day and at the weekends.

The business with the lambs did trouble me as i was very reluctant to think anyone would take animals from the mothers. very disturbing behavior
But it hard to ignore the fact that counted lambs go missing year after year .
Natural predators leave a trace in most cases.
But it is all about numbers that are not there.

The safety issue is on my mind , but since it has become public i feel the situation better. For sure i am not going to take risks involving the children.


My struggle is really that the relevant authorities , police ,RSPCA, council etc can't act, so they say without absolute proof ............caught lock, stock and barrel doing something .
The something well happen , so it is a thingy where a caution would prevent escalation of things but it needs to escalate according to them to do something.

However she has entered the property recently by unbolting the locked gate .
Supposedly i imagine under the excuse of looking for stray stock.
The kids sensed there was something wrong as the sheep came up to us , in a scared and nervous state, looking for protection .

I say this hesitantly , but i feel a wake of bad energy left  behind, frantic tyre marks, gates not left shut properly , you feel the peace has been disturbed .

Apathy by locals who have put up with it for years annoys me , i am careful what i say but it has been going on a long time for others as well.

The local copper knows what is happening but it seems a normal person is easier to enforce the law to , is this the bottom line?

Horton

have you improved the infrastructure of the property?

i mean better fences, stronger gates, etc... so that no one could have access to your property or take what belongs to you."


In real life nothing stops people except their good conduct or a bullet.

Fences, can be jumped , climbed or cut.

Gates the same, doors kicked in.

Horton

i understand that,
but,
having a better infrastructure could help.

for example:
A:
a person goes to the supermarket and leaves his house with his front door open and when he returns he finds out he have been stolen.

or
B:
a person installs another door in his house, puts multiple locks, install fences with electricity, and even hires a police man so that his house could be watched 24 seven.
So, when the criminals arrive to the house with the purpose of stealing, they will think it 10 times before even trying. At the end they will search for another house that is easy to steal from.

This is a fact. Criminals always search for the easy way.

[lester]

with this you are saying that God punishes the person who does this acts.

In a sense yes... but not in classic definitions of the term, label, title "God"
When deliberately acting in the psychic realm you are taking on the role of a novice God, and essentially if you are not good at it the psyychic realm will deal out hash lessons for you  to learn from until you are good at it. Good enough to prevent the lessons from being dealt. A natural cause and effect type situation as one aspires to God hood and declares it by acting deliberately using what would be typically considered as "Gods" power.
Pandoras box once opened is damn hard to get a handle on and learn what is needed to be learned. Most who get to try end up very ill indeed...IMO

i found an interesting pdf about psychic attack:
http://www.pathwayshealing.com/pdf/Psychic%20Protection%20and%20Energy%20Clearing%20Manual.pdf

in page 2 says:

"Unfortunately, there are some instances where people will intentionally try to
energetically attack others. These are normally people who are unaware of the
consequences of their actions and they are usually amateurs. They do not understand the
way energy works in our universe or they would not attempt to send attacks to others.

When anyone sends out negative energy there are repercussions. In this world, like
attracts like. If you send out negativity you will attract it back to yourself. You will not
find a truly aware person who is trained in the spiritual, energetic or magical arts ever
attempting any such thing. They understand too well that to engage in such activities is
only self destructive."

[acousticeagle]

"Unfortunately, there are some instances where people will intentionally try to
energetically attack others. These are normally people who are unaware of the
consequences of their actions and they are usually amateurs.

This situation, of someone entering into psychic attack mode is referred to in scripture. From Acts Ch 19:14 -16

"And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. "

So the 'evil spirit' that attacked these seven men says "Paul I know, but who are ye?"

This speaks of people who know how to do (what spiritual Christians) call "warfare" against psychic attack, and those who try to mess with malevolent forces, not knowing how to go about it, and get burned in the attempt.

The thing was about Paul was that he was aware of his 'authority' over things, evil forces, from that psychic plane - or whatever terminology you want to use to call it.

My first replies to you, Lester, were to ascertain to what degree you were experiencing attack and now that's established. As I said, I've experienced this sort of thing for myself - btw, there are those people who never feel they experience such things so lucky them, eh? I've been attacked psychically (or spiritually). There was a self-proclaimed 'witch' attacking Christians (of which I am one) in a small town I was in. I've been attacked since and even in more recent times. I suppose I'm just one of these sensitive people that way. Would like to discount the whole thing, but cannot!

And so I've had to learn about authority - that is, spiritual authority. You in your homes and you, Horton who I have sympathy for from how you've suffered over that horrible hillibilly woman where you are, have authority in the psychic/spiritual plane by your ownership or residency of your homes and properties. You don't have to invoke the name of Christ if that's not your faith as in mine, however, you have authority over evil forces just by your own, as I said, perfectly legitimate right to live in peace in your own homes/property.

I would suggest speaking outloud and declaring this in your house or wherever you are standing alone out in the paddock and saying: "I'm the lawful owner/resident of this house or property and no evil force has a right of entry here to attack me, my family and what I own."

Also, Lester you could say this about all the personal psychic attack ie bad dreams. Then, "I reject ALL attack from [name person] and any future attack. I rebuke all negative forces and dismiss them".

Now, I'm pretty good at doing this and sometimes I've had to persevere but I've won. You might have to stand on this [what Christians call "testimony"] for a bit. - keep it up for a bit until you feel things are better. But above all things, you must believe in that authority you have by being the rightful owner/resident of the places where you live. You are entitled to live in peace there. If you have some mates who pray, get some prayer help, just make sure they keep it simple and don't get caught up in it. But I would also suggest - going by what Lester's just posted - not entering into attack on your attackers. So, not doing any more spiritually than that I suggested.

Like I said, I can empathise with you two and I know what's worked for me. You don't need to get emotional about it (ie angry) just stand on your personal authority regarding the places were you live.

Any questions, send me a PM. I've put myself out there for this post - whereas otherwise I usually deal with straight psychology stuff without the spiritual content. Ok?

Ac E

[hortonpilot]

Ac Eagle,
             i guess in part the 'authority " is an irritation to the person, since most people aquiece ?
It is hard to know when this person will give up and what the signs will be and how it will happen?

The difficult thing is that she has either dirt on people, screwed or is related to people who are police, council etc.
Nothing gets done.

There is a block of my land 50 acres remote and worthless hilly  that has a very good sheep fence, but in the wrong place . 30 mtres into her newly aquirred land , 6 months ago she bought, i put trespass signs up after the gates were cut and fences let down she has been doing this for years.

She came around today to the place in town and stopped at the gate to tell me she was going to court to have the fence corrected, issuing a court order.
I just said , " you have no excuse to cut the fences and the gates " and then repeated the same when she said it was her land,adding that it was the existing boundary.
I wasn't upset but just thought it strange that anybody taking legal action would actually tell what they intended to do?
Also she came around in a borrowed flash black mini-4wd , she normally drives an old toyota 4wd clunker.
Strange she would want to perhaps impress?

 The shifting of the fence makes no economic sense as the land has no great value, too steep and too far for stock to get to.

I will try the ,"I would suggest speaking outloud and declaring this in your house or wherever you are standing alone out in the paddock and saying: "I'm the lawful owner/resident of this house or property and no evil force has a right of entry here to attack me, my family and what I own."

I do this to a degree when i enter the gate i give thanks to my wonderful father, now long dead, my father had nothing to do with the place , long after.
So i guess it is a kind of prayer for peace and thankfullness.


*What's your take on the visit today?

I will Pm  but not tonight.

kindest regards

Horton

[lester]

"Unfortunately, there are some instances where people will intentionally try to
energetically attack others. These are normally people who are unaware of the
consequences of their actions and they are usually amateurs.

This situation, of someone entering into psychic attack mode is referred to in scripture. From Acts Ch 19:14 -16

"And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. "

So the 'evil spirit' that attacked these seven men says "Paul I know, but who are ye?"

This speaks of people who know how to do (what spiritual Christians) call "warfare" against psychic attack, and those who try to mess with malevolent forces, not knowing how to go about it, and get burned in the attempt.

The thing was about Paul was that he was aware of his 'authority' over things, evil forces, from that psychic plane - or whatever terminology you want to use to call it.

My first replies to you, Lester, were to ascertain to what degree you were experiencing attack and now that's established. As I said, I've experienced this sort of thing for myself - btw, there are those people who never feel they experience such things so lucky them, eh? I've been attacked psychically (or spiritually). There was a self-proclaimed 'witch' attacking Christians (of which I am one) in a small town I was in. I've been attacked since and even in more recent times. I suppose I'm just one of these sensitive people that way. Would like to discount the whole thing, but cannot!

And so I've had to learn about authority - that is, spiritual authority. You in your homes and you, Horton who I have sympathy for from how you've suffered over that horrible hillibilly woman where you are, have authority in the psychic/spiritual plane by your ownership or residency of your homes and properties. You don't have to invoke the name of Christ if that's not your faith as in mine, however, you have authority over evil forces just by your own, as I said, perfectly legitimate right to live in peace in your own homes/property.

I would suggest speaking outloud and declaring this in your house or wherever you are standing alone out in the paddock and saying: "I'm the lawful owner/resident of this house or property and no evil force has a right of entry here to attack me, my family and what I own."

Also, Lester you could say this about all the personal psychic attack ie bad dreams. Then, "I reject ALL attack from [name person] and any future attack. I rebuke all negative forces and dismiss them".

Now, I'm pretty good at doing this and sometimes I've had to persevere but I've won. You might have to stand on this [what Christians call "testimony"] for a bit. - keep it up for a bit until you feel things are better. But above all things, you must believe in that authority you have by being the rightful owner/resident of the places where you live. You are entitled to live in peace there. If you have some mates who pray, get some prayer help, just make sure they keep it simple and don't get caught up in it. But I would also suggest - going by what Lester's just posted - not entering into attack on your attackers. So, not doing any more spiritually than that I suggested.

Like I said, I can empathise with you two and I know what's worked for me. You don't need to get emotional about it (ie angry) just stand on your personal authority regarding the places were you live.

Any questions, send me a PM. I've put myself out there for this post - whereas otherwise I usually deal with straight psychology stuff without the spiritual content. Ok?

Ac E

thanks for the advices.

[lester]

thank you ozzie too, you guys have helped me a lot.

[iig0tem]

Maybe it's something personal?? Perhaps you are the one with the negative energy towards this guy but you misjudged the whole situation, pouring the blame on him?? Does this guy remind you of anything?? What does he look like? What's his name? Anything about him that "pops out" I think you have some deep unconscious connection to this man....

On a side note, this really reminds me of Poe's "Tell-Tale Heart"...

I'll leave you to a closing line in the short story: "It is the beating of his hideous heart!"

[hortonpilot]

One thinks differently from these people and i would doubt they would find this forum interesting.
I don't think it is  arising  as a direct consequence of something that we have done or an attitude of ours.

These people don't have normal attitudes and respect for other people who are not related to them, so they do what they like, their words.
They begrudge your world and the changing world and feel envy that you have moved near them .
Your animals or family are on the land /area where they grew up and they can't adjust to change.

In my case the family has a long criminal history and see nothing wrong with theft and vandalism, it is only getting caught that presents a problem but it is difficult to be a step ahead.

Typically the criminal blames the victim.
the idea that we cause this stuff is silly.

Horton

[acousticeagle]

One thinks differently from these people...
I don't think it is  arising  as a direct consequence of something that we have done or an attitude of ours.

These people don't have normal attitudes and respect for other people....

Typically the criminal blames the victim.
the idea that we cause this stuff is silly.

Horton

It took me years to really get it straight in my mind that there are people out there that do not think with a normal working conscience towards others. For whatever reason, the current world view and all its political correctness does not allow for the wrongdoer, or tresspasser. Somehow all behaviour seems too easily excused and justfied - and each opinion has a wrongfully but equally valid weight.

It's harder for those who do have a normal social conscience and expect/assume others do have that too. For when the horrible truth comes, oneself might be well-convinced, but trying to convince others that so'n'so has psychopathic tendancies/behaviours (ie sociopathic/narcissistic) can be a very hard thing to attempt.

iigotem I think has not read the thread of this discussion. I believe it was myself who asked Lester more about his situation and we were able to come to further enlightment about it. Am I saying therefore that iigotem does not have a valid opinion....?

Getting back to what I was saying - once you have a personal interaction with someone without a conscience that is of a complete selfish to unconscionable nature, you learn by hard experience that there are people out there in the world that are well able to do you damage regardless of how well, and with how much, integrity you yourself conduct yourself with.

[hortonpilot]

Ae,

 it made me think a little differently to say the least and i now wonder about the workings of people ,"kiddy christians', apathetic communities, inaction neglect by those in positions of office and the deception by people who are in a position to do something.

The absolute bottom line is it all degrades our lives and each and every person connected or otherwise.

It seems people do not see the importance of preserving what we already take forgranted.

Police are at present a few days away from a animal trespass case with another person in the community and there is some very good photographic evidence and witness who  have not been called by the police.
So you wonder do the police have a good case already or are they just not trying?

Should the case be lost in court the only conclusion i can draw is that i have been deceived by the police into thinking they were working properly and at least some of what was said to me is BS.

Sadly i come back to the fact that we question our own position when we seek for justice.

Some stuff is particularly hard to fathom,

 We had some shooting and vandalism a while back , a pay back for our being in the area, it was pretty obvious who had done the damage since the area is so remote and must be accessed by one gate/house.
The police were useless and failed to do anything when the got on the case a month later.

What was particularly nasty was when asked about fire-arms they mentioned a nice kid in the area  as a suspect, the kid would never do such a thing .
The police did not have the smarts to ask more questions as there were a range of suspects that frequent that property.

Having thought about this over the last few days i wonder if i should tell the mother  about how her innocent son was smeared?
likely they don't know and would be pissed to know the real situation?


Horton

[iig0tem]

iigotem I think has not read the thread of this discussion. I believe it was myself who asked Lester more about his situation and we were able to come to further enlightment about it. Am I saying therefore that iigotem does not have a valid opinion....?

Am I the only one being logical? You guys talk as if this "negative energy" exists... Who knows maybe it does.. But why already eliminate any other reasons for this "negative energy".

[hortonpilot]

I thought i was being pretty logical?
I have confined what i have said to events and the consequences.

Simply put people are in your face, is this difficult to understand?


Horton

[iig0tem]

From what I've skimmed through, it doesn't seem as simple as that. Sounds kind of cultish and subjective.
But let me get this clear... Is the standpoint on the situation taken as the neighbor actually sending "negative energy" by deceitful practices and intentions??

[hortonpilot]

If there is negative energy being directed i wont say it is the voodoo style.

But what i do say is people are in my face, this i know.

Horton

[lester]

One thinks differently from these people...
I don't think it is  arising  as a direct consequence of something that we have done or an attitude of ours.

These people don't have normal attitudes and respect for other people....

Typically the criminal blames the victim.
the idea that we cause this stuff is silly.

Horton

It took me years to really get it straight in my mind that there are people out there that do not think with a normal working conscience towards others. For whatever reason, the current world view and all its political correctness does not allow for the wrongdoer, or tresspasser. Somehow all behaviour seems too easily excused and justfied - and each opinion has a wrongfully but equally valid weight.

It's harder for those who do have a normal social conscience and expect/assume others do have that too. For when the horrible truth comes, oneself might be well-convinced, but trying to convince others that so'n'so has psychopathic tendancies/behaviours (ie sociopathic/narcissistic) can be a very hard thing to attempt.

iigotem I think has not read the thread of this discussion. I believe it was myself who asked Lester more about his situation and we were able to come to further enlightment about it. Am I saying therefore that iigotem does not have a valid opinion....?

Getting back to what I was saying - once you have a personal interaction with someone without a conscience that is of a complete selfish to unconscionable nature, you learn by hard experience that there are people out there in the world that are well able to do you damage regardless of how well, and with how much, integrity you yourself conduct yourself with.

exactly.

[hortonpilot]

For me all this has been a long journey which is not over by any means .

What ever i think of the impact of the neighbor/s and their behavior my recourse seems best in legal means.
What i did not count on was that these sociopaths have a certain immunity to the law and despite well argued /understood case the law is pretty powerless.

At every point the law has failed to procede with they very least warning or implementation of the law.
Fire-arms offences, trespass, vandalism, animal cruelty and neglect, lice infected sheep wandering the area which was a notifiable disease, etc , etc.

The police acted rather slowly on identifiable fire-arms offences where the property owner is by law responsible.
RSPCA did nothing about a horse that was yarded in a small yard for one full month.

Despite putting these cases carefully and diplomaticaly to these you only find apathy .

You then wonder if the law does not work what recourse do you have?

As AE mentioned it is a societal dilema that seems to get worse.

Always the situation is inverted and the victim is blamed.


Horton.

[lester]

For me all this has been a long journey which is not over by any means .

What ever i think of the impact of the neighbor/s and their behavior my recourse seems best in legal means.
What i did not count on was that these sociopaths have a certain immunity to the law and despite well argued /understood case the law is pretty powerless.

At every point the law has failed to procede with they very least warning or implementation of the law.
Fire-arms offences, trespass, vandalism, animal cruelty and neglect, lice infected sheep wandering the area which was a notifiable disease, etc , etc.

The police acted rather slowly on identifiable fire-arms offences where the property owner is by law responsible.
RSPCA did nothing about a horse that was yarded in a small yard for one full month.

Despite putting these cases carefully and diplomaticaly to these you only find apathy .

You then wonder if the law does not work what recourse do you have?

As AE mentioned it is a societal dilema that seems to get worse.

Always the situation is inverted and the victim is blamed.


Horton.

you also contacted a lawyer of your own, so he could help you with the situation?

[pert -5]

Negative is subjective.  Energy is universal.  Be done with it.  Hmmm?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy

[hortonpilot]

Lawyer was pragmatic  but said you must catch the person at the time of the event.

No doubt that the events took place but culprit  must be caught in the act and police called then and there.