do ghosts-spirits really exist?

[saved]

I believe there is a spirit world, but I also believe in many cases you have to open yourself up to it. It is also dangerous to do this.

[anaklio]

Opening yourself up to new things such as drugs and spirituality can be damaging. But it can also be wonderful. New experiences should be embraced, but one should proceed with caution.

I often think about what would happen if the paranormal or alien life were scientifically documented. Seems like it would be shocking.

[saved]

Opening yourself up to new things such as drugs and spirituality can be damaging. But it can also be wonderful. New experiences should be embraced, but one should proceed with caution.

I often think about what would happen if the paranormal or alien life were scientifically documented. Seems like it would be shocking.

My guess is the paranormal does not follow normal scientific laws.

[anaklio]

That might be true, but once principle of science would be useful: replicability. Right now, there are already people who believe in these things. Yet, in general, we discard them because most of us do not. Thus the paranormal might not follow physics, but we should all notice it.

[S. Earl Martin]

It is more likely that the para normal follows some scientific laws, but also follows some that are not recognized or are not yet known. One of the biggest roadblocks to scientific progress has always been the failure to accept the possibility that we might be wrong. Or that there are things we don't have the ability to measure. So much of science is tactile and so many things are impossible to grasp physically.

[saved]

It is more likely that the para normal follows some scientific laws, but also follows some that are not recognized or are not yet known. One of the biggest roadblocks to scientific progress has always been the failure to accept the possibility that we might be wrong. Or that there are things we don't have the ability to measure. So much of science is tactile and so many things are impossible to grasp physically.

There is truth to that.  There is something called the Taos Hum in which 1 percent of people who go to Taos hear a low frequency hum, and no one can detect anything. So, it is there, just not detectable or quantifiable.

[liza123]

There is truth to that.  There is something called the Taos Hum in which 1 percent of people who go to Taos hear a low frequency hum, and no one can detect anything. So, it is there, just not detectable or quantifiable.

very interesting discussion about science and paranormal....scientists believe in evidence/proof, they carry out research and produce findings with facts, figures, etc..

in each human being, there is the left and right side of the brain...the logical and analytical mind(left side) and holistic and intuitive(right side of the brain)...

a scientist is normally more in tune with his left side of the brain than his right side....it is hard for scientists to accept unusual phenomenons without evidence...and then, there might be fear of accepting such things(they might have to readjust their usual way of thinking!)

[saved]

very interesting discussion about science and paranormal....scientists believe in evidence/proof, they carry out research and produce findings with facts, figures, etc..

in each human being, there is the left and right side of the brain...the logical and analytical mind(left side) and holistic and intuitive(right side of the brain)...

a scientist is normally more in tune with his left side of the brain than his right side....it is hard for scientists to accept unusual phenomenons without evidence...and then, there might be fear of accepting such things(they might have to readjust their usual way of thinking!)

I am a scientist and I definitely believe in the paranormal. I do feel however that it is dangerous to mess with.

[liza123]

for those who are really sceptical about the existence of ghosts or who want to know, i just thought of something. what about spending two or three nights at the cemetry? maybe, one night would be sufficient...

[S. Earl Martin]

I have a question? The right side of the brain vs the left side. Is it the same for people who are left handed? Or are the 2 sides reversed ? 

[Enigma]

The human mind is powerful.  It wouldn't surprise me if it is somehow able to imprint itself on the world. 

[saved]

for those who are really sceptical about the existence of ghosts or who want to know, i just thought of something. what about spending two or three nights at the cemetry? maybe, one night would be sufficient...

I saw a ghost about 15 yrs ago. I was staying at a friend's place and I woke up early (after partying with a ton of beers). It was a football player (uniform, helmet etc) just standing a few ft away from the bed and it faded away. I mentioned this to the friend and a few weeks later she called me and said some college football player died in the house in the 1970s.  Wierd to say the least.

[seekinghga]

I have a question? The right side of the brain vs the left side. Is it the same for people who are left handed? Or are the 2 sides reversed ? 

No, it's not reversed.  I think that "handedness" is an adaptive evolution.

[seekinghga]

I am a scientist and I definitely believe in the paranormal. I do feel however that it is dangerous to mess with.

In what ways do you find it dangerous?  I am just curious.

[saved]

In what ways do you find it dangerous?  I am just curious.

2 reasons  1 religious 1 secular

1) Religious:  The Bible is specific about not playing with the spirit world / occult.

2) Secular:  What do we know about the spririt realm?  If you knew nothing about sharks and went for a night swim in the ocean, not knowing about sharks does not mean you will not get attacked. 

[saved]

No, it's not reversed.  I think that "handedness" is an adaptive evolution.

I was under the assumption the right side of the brain controls the left hand sideofthe body abd vica versa.

[seekinghga]

I was under the assumption the right side of the brain controls the left hand sideofthe body abd vica versa.

Yeah, I just meant that the right side of the brain's functions are not changed depending on which hand is prevalently used.

[liza123]

No, it's not reversed.  I think that "handedness" is an adaptive evolution.

They are not reversed. But, people who are left-handed display more aspects/qualities related to the right side of the brain. Are you left-handed? If you can use both your hands for writing, etc(in short, if you have developed the abilities of using both hands),you are indeed very lucky!You have  more developed skills pertaining to both sides of the brain in comparison to others....this is a generic statement.

[S. Earl Martin]

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. LOL! Thanks for the info.

[seekinghga]

2 reasons  1 religious 1 secular

1) Religious:  The Bible is specific about not playing with the spirit world / occult.

Fine.

2) Secular:  What do we know about the spririt realm?  If you knew nothing about sharks and went for a night swim in the ocean, not knowing about sharks does not mean you will not get attacked.

We know about the spirit realm precisely what we experience of it.  Dreaming is strangely akin to it.  I think the best defense is a good offense, too.

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"Gnosis" is an under-researched term as well.

[S. Earl Martin]

The bible says "fear only God" Also that all power is yours in the name of Jesus. I have no problem exploring the spirit realm or any other realm for that matter. If I saw a ghost or an alien or even a leprechaun I would like to sit down and have a conversation. Hey what is it like in your dimension? Hold still while I get my camera. Have you seen any unicorn's lately? Actually unicorn's were ram's. They used horses in parades that were disguised as the one horn male goats. These goat's were the result of a genetic deviation and apparently they were all sacrificed.  So the gene was no longer passed down. So they started using the horses with the horn to represent them.

I am manic / depressive/ Bi polar and am fighting depression today so I am using my favorite escape technic's humor and trivia. So please bare with me. Thanks.

[anaklio]

Seems wise to remain calm when exposed to new things. It would be a rare opportunity, it's best to seize it and make the most of it.

[liza123]

The bible says "fear only God" Also that all power is yours in the name of Jesus. I have no problem exploring the spirit realm or any other realm for that matter. If I saw a ghost or an alien or even a leprechaun I would like to sit down and have a conversation. Hey what is it like in your dimension? Hold still while I get my camera. Have you seen any unicorn's lately? Actually unicorn's were ram's. They used horses in parades that were disguised as the one horn male goats. These goat's were the result of a genetic deviation and apparently they were all sacrificed.  So the gene was no longer passed down. So they started using the horses with the horn to represent them.

I am manic / depressive/ Bi polar and am fighting depression today so I am using my favorite escape technic's humor and trivia. So please bare with me. Thanks.

Well, if you do get a chance, please do post your experience and photos in this forum.  :PWith due to respect to your depressive feeling, are you asking us to "bare with you?" or "bear with you?" .........

[S. Earl Martin]

That's what I get for depending on spell check and not double checking LOL! However which ever one you feel lead to do will be fine. I know this is off subject So I will attempt to be brief. My wife and I have worked on a number of trainings for the entire time we were married. Twenty years. We kept getting stopped by forces we couldn't control. We were attempting to put reality in formulas. 3 different times people died who were working on the project. My wife Delpha had completed her sociology degree and was one of the best trainers/mediators in the country. Once again we were trying to launch the D-Text which stands for the Direct Environmental Logistics Plan for Heightened Awareness. We had finished the courses and had the money to promote and offer the trainings. Then I got Leukemia. I had to diagnose myself because the doctors I was seeing couldn't figure out what was wrong. I researched it and I was right. We decided to do the trainings/ courses anyway. Then Delpha starts having chest pains. I examined her and found a large lump in her breast. She was diagnosed with breast cancer. She went thru chemo and radiation and was in remission. Then her doctors started giving her penicillin even though they knew she was allergic. While she was in a coma I realized the Maxapime she was receiving was penicillin and ordered it to be stopped. She awoke from the coma and because she had a fever of 120 she had brain damage and eventually died. My Leukemia has progressed and it is like I have the flu all the time. Plus other symptoms that I will spare you from the details. You see that is why I realize Soloman was right. Our actions only matter in the eternal realm. Everything we do here will turn to dust. We worked and built a biodynamic farm. I have enough food growing wild here to sustain up to 20-30 people depending on how it is rationed. I have every survival gear you can buy. I have 2 years of canned food, mre's and weapons. We thought we would just ride out the end times and wait for the Lord's return. The best laid plans of mice and men. Now my relatives are waiting like vultures for me to die. I mean they care about me and I don't think they want me to die, but it is human nature. I have no wife or kids so they get everything we worked for. I don't care. I won't be here. I will be in Heaven anyway. I actually am feeling better. I want to thank you all for participating in this and being patient with me. I am stuck home most of the time and this is one of my few outlets. Now let's get back on subject.
Two accounts that I want to relate. First as I mentioned before Delpha awoke from a coma. She had brain damage and was about the mental capacity of a 6 year old. Over time she deteriorated. The day she went home I was by her bed holding her left hand. Her brother was holding her right. We knew she was getting close. There were 5 ministers there and about 30 other friends and relatives all praying and singing hymns. Delpha's vocal cord's had been damaged when they intabated her so she could only whisper. She motioned for me to lean over so I could hear her. She asked me to forgive all the people who had wronged us. Including the doctors. I did. Then she closed her eyes. After about 10 minutes she opened her eyes and had a look of amazement on her face. I leaned over and she whispered "I see Angel's. What do I do?" It broke my heart, but I told her " if you want to, you can go with the Angel's" She whispered really? Then she looked around and looked sad for a moment. Then she smiled and whispered Okay. She died a few minutes latter.
I am bleeding internally and I have passed out several times. I had been to sick to get out of bed for day's except to take care of basic needs. I managed to make it to my kitchen to try and eat something. A friend of mine knocked on the door checking on me. He wanted to hear my latest CD. (I am a singer/ song writer.) We went to my music studio and I reached for the remote to turn on the CD player. The whole room turned upside down. I remember falling and when I opened my eyes the cat box was right in front of my face. I was wondering what the cat box was doing in the music room. I had fallen then gotten back up and fallen again in the hall. I made it into the bathroom and fell on the floor with my head against the bathtub. I was looking at the ceiling and wondering if I was going to die? All at once I saw a large hedge. It was beautiful. I looked at the soil and it was unlike any I had ever seen. The leaves were so green. The hedge was so thick that no one could have penetrated it. Then the hedge disappeared and I saw what looked like a book or a deck of cards. They were flying by like if you pull back one edge and slowly let go. Every one that went by was some good deed I had done. Times I helped people. Prayers I had said. Times when I could have sinned and resisted. I got to feeling pretty good about myself. Then it reversed. It was every sin I had ever committed. All I could do was say forgive me Lord Forgive me Lord. I was humiliated. Then I was back to the hedge again, but this time it was transparent. I could see people on the other side. They were all busy doing things and were so happy. The pure joy I could feel was indescribable. Then they noticed me and all turned toward me with their arms out stretched like to welcome me in. I thought"well I guess this is it and started to walk in. Then I was pulled backward and landed in my body. My friend was standing over me yelling " Don't die, You can't die". He helped me to bed and it took several more days before I could function again. Well that's my story. I do not believe that what I saw was a hallucination. I believe I really saw Heaven! Peace!

[anaklio]

Wow, that was an interesting and intense experience. Subjective measures such as self reports are challenging. They are definitely true for the reporter, but there's no easy way to make them true for the observer. Sometimes you can get lucky and produce nice correlations between objective and subjective measures. For example, I have my students do math problems and I interpret their EEG. I can estimate when they are doing the problem and then see if this is what they report. I believe that in the future, we will be able to extend this simple "mind reading" experiment to dreams and experiences such as you report. That will solve this dilemma, and it will be wonderful :-)

[liza123]

Hi, S.Earl Martin. I was merely pulling your leg about the spelling error. I read your post. I salute your inner strength,courage and endurance but most of all, I commend you on the faith you have for God. It is in this faith and love of God that we find our inner strength and courage to go on. You are right. Just because you and your wife went through all  these problems in life does not mean it is bad. Everything happens for a purpose. You are the best person to judge whether or not what you saw is true. God conveys his messages in various ways as per the understanding of the people who are receiving them. People can say what they please. But,as Gandhi said, "My religion is a matter solely between my maker and myself". There are lots of sour grapes, non-believers and whatnot. So, it does not matter what others think or say.Only a selected number of people get the chance to get close to God. You might be one of them. Thank you for your long explanation. It helped me in some way. It made me realise that they are others out there who go through so much in life and yet, they presevere...they do not give up on their faith of God. Thank you. You are more than welcome to use this forum to BARE YOUR SOUL if you want....
"I surrender at thy feet, O Lord, do with me as you will"...All my best wishes to you!May God guide you from within!

[S. Earl Martin]

Thank you for your kind words. I have lead an interesting life. I have friends that I have known since high school who have told me that in their whole life they have had only maybe one or two things happen to them that are like things that happen to me/us on a monthly or even weekly basis. It could be a number of reasons. I was involved with the occult when I was younger and a lot of demons follow me. They can't effect me directly because I have Christ and the Holy Spirit, but they try to effect other people and things around me. I have prayed allot about this and have gone to prayer vigils were we prayed corporately that they would be bound and not return. It worked to an extent, but they still are causing trouble. It seems the more good works Delpha and I did the more trouble they cause for us. We just followed Paul's advice and count it all joy. More rewards in Heaven and more jewels in our crown's. We claim the victory in the name of Jesus and are protected by the blood of the lamb. Just as with Job, they can't do anything God doesn't allow. So trails come and storms come, but the rock is my salvation. Besides I know were I am going and I have already seen it. So what can seperate me from the love of Christ? Nothing!
Earl

[liza123]

I gathered that you led an interesting life from your posts . I knew of a woman who could see the same creatures. Sometimes, they used to pull her hair hard. She used to pass by cemeteries and whatnot. She said that they could have followed her . She also happened to be someone who was very religious. For some reason or another, they refuse to leave her alone. She said that she suffered so much. After many prayers, etc, they finally left her alone. But, the problem with her was that as time went on, her faith in God weakened especially after her husband left her. She started to behave in a different manner, forgetting her teachings, etc. It is important to maintain that faith in God immaterial of whatever tests or problems we face in life.

I believe that even the so-called demons etc are God 's creatures. So, they have to kneel in front of God. As you said, they cannot do anything that God does not allow. Your faith in God is well-placed. Thank you for sharing. In a way, you might be helping many people who read these posts. Sometimes, people do not voice out for some reason or another. Reading your experience and posts could help many people. It is also a service in the name of God
Thanks and take care of your health.

[liza123]

I simply have to share this with you, S. Earl Martin. Some time back, I knew of a small boy who suffered from leukemia. He was around 8 years old. On top of that, he had other complications which resulted in an overly large head and bulging eyes. Normally, people simply stare at him with various expressions. He knows why they stare. So, he tries not to look at strangers and looks down when he has to answer questions posed by strangers. He only looks at his family members normally like other kids do. When he continued to do that to me, I asked him, "Am I so ugly that you refuse to look at me?". I saw his quick upward look at me and a small secret smile. After that, he got used to me and talked to me normally. His parents tried all sorts of medicine, traditional and modern. They were so desperate to get him cured in spite of lack of money. He was the only son for them. But, some time later, he died at the hospital. For all his suffering, the little boy had a cheerfulness about him. At one point, the parents thought he was dead. But, all of a sudden, he woke up while they crying for his demise. It was a strange incident. I did not personally witness this incident.I was told about it by his parents.

But, I saw the parents' struggle, not wanting to give up. As it is , he died  the "second time". He never woke up. Life is mysterious and the workings of the universe and God is sometimes beyond our comprehension. We live to learn and learn to live.

[S. Earl Martin]

Let's try this again. Twice I have written responses and my internet connection is having trouble. So when I hit post it lost the connection and my post was lost.
I have always tried to follow the motto "plan like you will live forever, but live like you will die tomorrow." I don't see that as being foolish, but to not take life to seriously. Don't get so rapped up in life that you forget to live. I think it is possible that the reason the Lord didn't allow us to do the projects we were working on might have been that the results would have lead us away from the Lord. I don't know. The information has been assimilated in other ways. So that's fine. We were not doing it for money. We were doing it to help people and I realized that the information could have been used to manipulate people just as easily so no big deal. If you can quantitatively measure your reality, you can measure other people's and us that to gain an advantage. Barring some miracle I probably have a year maybe two. This Leukemia is in it's last stages and any treatment would just give me a little more time, but the quality of life would not be good. "Soon and very soon I am going to see the King"!!! I have seen death. I have seen loved ones die. It doesn't scare me. It is just the next step in a process. When Delpha went home she used sign language to witness all the way to the end. (She was a deaf interpreter). She was so brave it was inspiring. I hope I can be as brave. Peace!