Who believes in GOD?

[S. Earl Martin]

You are the one asking for evidence and I gave it to you. You are just to blind to see it. Scientists that have no affiliation with religion are the ones saying that Solar flares are coming. The last time this happened all electrical devices at the time either burst into flame or stopped working all together. Electronics was in its infancy. But telegraph wires burst into flames. Birds fell from the sky already cooked. The atmosphere stopped blocking some of the micro wave energy emitted by the sun. Cancer increased in much of the population.

See you claim you want evidence, but ignore it when it is presented to you and you claim that people who believe in God are ignorant? Ignorance is a choice. I don't want to know so it doesn't exist.

Faith in things not supported by the very evidance you ask for is a cop out. Further admiting ignorance doesn't make Relgions claim false either. You can't prove that God doesn't exist. There is no evidance to support your statements. There for it takes faith in your beliefs not based on evidance. To believe what you claim. So the things you say about us even if they were true apply to you as well. Natural selection does explain some things found in nature, but it does not do all the things it is given credit for. Alot of what is said about how it works can not be proven and is based on a belief system based on faith.

Evidance:
1 Chernobal: It is continuing to burn into the earth. Polluting the ground water. The cap placed over it is deteriorating at an increasing rate. It will collapse and our technology cannot stop it. In the Revelation it says what appears to be a star explodes on the earth, it's name is wormwood. In Russian Chernobal means wormwood. It turns the waters of the earth to blood and poisons 1/3 of the waters of the earth.

2: Solar flares: I have already mentioned this, but Nasa has placed many probes in orbit to monitor large solar flares that they know are coming. They are already increasing.

3: Ice cap and glacier melting: Over half the population of the earth get their drinking water from these sources. They are disappearing and people are already dieing from thirst. Wars are breaking out over the water that remains. This will increase.

4: Disposal of trash and toxic waste: The land fills in the world are overflowing. Toxic waste is polluting over half the water supplies in the world. Even in the U.S. the water supplies are contaminated with perscription drugs and PCB's.

5: Nuclear proliferation. Terrorists already have the bomb. It is just a matter of time before they use it.

How do you propose these problems be solved. I mean since you are so much more enlightened than I am, please tell me how even one of these will be resolved. You asked for evidance I keep giving it to you. You see I am not worried or afraid at all. I am rejoicing because I know God is in control and the plans of mankind can not defeat or stop what is coming. They can only make what God has predicted thru God's word come true. You claim to be knowledgable about science. All I have read is you repeating nonsense spouted by other people. And you say we are slaves to our ignorance? You are a slave to the drival and pseudo science you believe by faith. I will put my money on a God that I see working in my life every day. Not on some belief system designed by man. That changes everyday and is based on information they only think they know. Look at what mankinds "knowledge" has brought. Do you really think that the accomplishments of humans are so wonderful.

Say that there is no God. Hypotetically speaking. Humans are going to do what in the future? Build space ships and pollute other worlds and enslave any other beings we might find there? I don't think so. The first thing humans do with new technology is kill and exploit people weaker than themselves. We can't legislate morality. It has to be a choice from within. I find it interesting that when I encounter nonbelievers they continually are filled with anger and rage. They insult and call names or mock and belittle other people and at the same time proport to be superior. Oh yes religious people can exhibit these same trates, but I have found that for the most part that people who try to live a Godly life respond in love with kindness. So if we aliminate all the people who believe in God and only have non believers. What rules are you going to put in place? In your new utopia? The 10 commandments maybe? What motivation are people going to have to follow the rules? If there are no conciquences for your actions. If you want to die in ignorance so be it. I will still be praying for you. Gotta go.

God of Heaven I pray that You will grant us mercy and wisdom. In Jesus name Amen

[voodoo scientist]

If there were proof of the Christian God, "God" would be a scientific phenomena like any other. Similarly, any good scientist knows that it is impossible to disprove anything at all. As a side note, Chernobyl is named after the grass in the area and should probably not be taken for prophecy regardless of your inclination towards that sort of thing. I'm also curious as to whether you would really accept concrete solutions to the problems posted as evidence against the Christian God (nor should you), so it seems in rather uncivil taste to insinuate that you would by drawing on these problems to substantiate your belief in the Christian God.

What really bothers me about this whole debate is the complete irrelevance of it all. Say there is a god (any god or supernatural construct): they've been there all along and nothing changes. Say there isn't a god - he hasn't been there all along, and nothing changes. The potential existence of a, by definition unfathomable, supreme being is simply not relevant to us as humans.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could all just get over the question of divinity and focus on what's important? I like to think so.

[Enigma]

You are the one asking for evidence and I gave it to you. You are just to blind to see it. Scientists that have no affiliation with religion are the ones saying that Solar flares are coming. The last time this happened all electrical devices at the time either burst into flame or stopped working all together. Electronics was in its infancy. But telegraph wires burst into flames. Birds fell from the sky already cooked. The atmosphere stopped blocking some of the micro wave energy emitted by the sun. Cancer increased in much of the population.

See you claim you want evidence, but ignore it when it is presented to you and you claim that people who believe in God are ignorant? Ignorance is a choice. I don't want to know so it doesn't exist.

Source?

Faith in things not supported by the very evidance you ask for is a cop out. Further admiting ignorance doesn't make Relgions claim false either. You can't prove that God doesn't exist. There is no evidance to support your statements. There for it takes faith in your beliefs not based on evidance. To believe what you claim. So the things you say about us even if they were true apply to you as well.

Wrong.  I believe in science, I don't have faith in it.  The very definition of faith is a belief not based on proof or evidence.  YOUR the one making the illogical statement that god exists so therefore the burden of proof falls on YOU, not me. 

Natural selection does explain some things found in nature, but it does not do all the things it is given credit for. Alot of what is said about how it works can not be proven and is based on a belief system based on faith.

Such as?  I'm not sure where you're getting your info, but there's a large body of scientific work supporting evolution.  The fossil record, diversity among species, and physiology to name a few

Evidance:
1 Chernobal: It is continuing to burn into the earth. Polluting the ground water. The cap placed over it is deteriorating at an increasing rate. It will collapse and our technology cannot stop it. In the Revelation it says what appears to be a star explodes on the earth, it's name is wormwood. In Russian Chernobal means wormwood. It turns the waters of the earth to blood and poisons 1/3 of the waters of the earth.

2: Solar flares: I have already mentioned this, but Nasa has placed many probes in orbit to monitor large solar flares that they know are coming. They are already increasing.

3: Ice cap and glacier melting: Over half the population of the earth get their drinking water from these sources. They are disappearing and people are already dieing from thirst. Wars are breaking out over the water that remains. This will increase.

4: Disposal of trash and toxic waste: The land fills in the world are overflowing. Toxic waste is polluting over half the water supplies in the world. Even in the U.S. the water supplies are contaminated with perscription drugs and PCB's.

5: Nuclear proliferation. Terrorists already have the bomb. It is just a matter of time before they use it.

I fail to see how pointing out that the world is fucked up is proof of a divine being.

How do you propose these problems be solved. I mean since you are so much more enlightened than I am, please tell me how even one of these will be resolved. You asked for evidance I keep giving it to you. You see I am not worried or afraid at all. I am rejoicing because I know God is in control and the plans of mankind can not defeat or stop what is coming. They can only make what God has predicted thru God's word come true. You claim to be knowledgable about science. All I have read is you repeating nonsense spouted by other people. And you say we are slaves to our ignorance? You are a slave to the drival and pseudo science you believe by faith. I will put my money on a God that I see working in my life every day.

I never claimed to have the solutions and I fail to see what any of this has to do with the argument.

Not on some belief system designed by man. That changes everyday and is based on information they only think they know. Look at what mankinds "knowledge" has brought. Do you really think that the accomplishments of humans are so wonderful.

You are truly ignorant if you don't believe Christianity is a belief system devised by man.  Yes, for all of humanity's ills we have achieved some amazing accomplishments. 

Say that there is no God. Hypotetically speaking. Humans are going to do what in the future? Build space ships and pollute other worlds and enslave any other beings we might find there? I don't think so. The first thing humans do with new technology is kill and exploit people weaker than themselves. We can't legislate morality. It has to be a choice from within.

You're very right, we can't legislate morality (something Christians seem to forget as they keep trying).  But threatening someone with eternal torture and punishment if they're not "moral" will not produce a true conscious choice from within. 

I find it interesting that when I encounter nonbelievers they continually are filled with anger and rage. They insult and call names or mock and belittle other people and at the same time proport to be superior.

If it sounds like I'm being condescending then it's because I am.  After reading paragraph after paragraph of your rambling drivel chocked full of simple grammatical and spelling errors I've concluded that you're simply not an intelligent human being. 

Oh yes religious people can exhibit these same trates, but I have found that for the most part that people who try to live a Godly life respond in love with kindness. So if we aliminate all the people who believe in God and only have non believers. What rules are you going to put in place? In your new utopia? The 10 commandments maybe?

Of the Ten Commandments, 6, 7, 8, and 9 are the only ones that serve any real benefit to society.  I always like how Christians think they have a monopoly on the idea that killing, stealing, lying, and banging someone else's wife is bad.

What motivation are people going to have to follow the rules?  If there are no conciquences for your actions. If you want to die in ignorance so be it.

The desire to live in a stable, mutually beneficial society perhaps?

I will still be praying for you. Gotta go.

God of Heaven I pray that You will grant us mercy and wisdom. In Jesus name Amen

One pair of hands working will achieve more than a million clasped in prayer.

[S. Earl Martin]

I never said that the things I was pointing out was proof of a devine being. Now you are taking a page from Voo Doo's bag of tricks. You called what I said delusional ramblings and I was offering further evidence in support of my previous statements. Also on your computer there is this thing called a search engine. Type in solar flares. Then hit search and see what comes up. If you can manage that then try some of the other topics I spoke of.

As far as the one pair of hands statement that is your opinion. No evidence exists to support that either.

When did I threaten you with eternal tortue? You see two can play the taking things out of context game if you want to go there.

If you are an example of the things you speak of then that convinces me all the more I don't want any part of it. This is a waste of time. You just want to argue to stroke your own ego and feed your petty delusions. Maybe some day when your world falls apart you will cry out to God for help. The good part is God still loves you and will answer you. BYE!

[Enigma]

I never said that the things I was pointing out was proof of a devine being. Now you are taking a page from Voo Doo's bag of tricks. You called what I said delusional ramblings and I was offering further evidence in support of my previous statements. Also on your computer there is this thing called a search engine. Type in solar flares. Then hit search and see what comes up. If you can manage that then try some of the other topics I spoke of.

I'm not doing your research for you.  I'm still not exactly sure what point you're trying to make either with the whole doomsday scenarios either,

As far as the one pair of hands statement that is your opinion. No evidence exists to support that either.

oh look evidence. http://salon.glenrose.net/default.asp?view=plink&id=7912

    NEW YORK (AP)—In the largest study of its kind, researchers found that having people pray for heart bypass surgery patients had no effect on their recovery. In fact, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher rate of complications.

    Researchers emphasized that their work can't address whether God exists or answers prayers made on another's behalf. The study can only look for an effect from prayers offered as part of the research, they said.

    They also said they had no explanation for the higher complication rate in patients who knew they were being prayed for, in comparison to patients who only knew it was possible prayers were being said for them.

    Critics said the question of God's reaction to prayers simply can't be explored by scientific study.

From David Myers

    In the intervening nine years, while we awaited the results from this unprecedented mother of all prayer experiments, other prayer experiments surfaced:

        *

          A 1997 experiment on “Intercessory Prayer in the Treatment of Alcohol Abuse and Dependence” found no measurable effect of intercessory prayer.
        *

          A 1998 experiment with arthritis patients reported that no significant effect from distant prayer was found.
        *

          A 1999 study of 990 coronary care patients—who were unaware of the study—reported about 10 percent fewer complications for the half who received prayers “for a speedy recovery with no complications.” But there was no difference in specific major complications such as cardiac arrest, hypertension and pneumonia, with the median hospital stay the same 4.0 days for both groups.
        *

          A 2001 Mayo Clinic study of 799 coronary care patients offered a simple result: “As delivered in this study, intercessory prayer had no significant effect on medical outcomes,” the study said.
        *

          A 2005 Duke University study of 848 coronary patients found no significant difference in clinical outcomes between those prayed for and those not.

When did I threaten you with eternal tortue? You see two can play the taking things out of context game if you want to go there.

I never said you did.  I was referring to the concept of hell as a scare tactic.

[S. Earl Martin]

I wasn't asking you to do research for me. Again you are distorting what I said. You asked for proof. Or source as it where. There have been a number of articles about the coming solar flares and the research being done. You just don't want to see them. Selective ignorance. The thing you acuse us of. LOL!

I have seen many studies done by scientists that have found that prayer improves health and the outcome of procedures. It would depend on who is conducting the studies and their motivation. It is very easy to alter the results of a study and achieve the results the study is designed to find. Your so called research is definitly not proof of anything.

Also if you really think that Science is based solely on fact you really are ignorant. Only about 20% of science is based on facts. The rest is subject to interpretation and is based on therories and hypothesis. That is why it is called the theory of evalution. Or the theory of natural selection. Not the facts of etc.

Yes this is getting to be boring. I still maintain that proving or disproving the existance of God is impossible. It is a personal choice. I hope that someday you will act on the couriosity about things you expressed before. Peace and good things be yours.

[S. Earl Martin]

So I have been thinking abuot our discussion.

1: As far as answered prayer goes. God answers all prayers with one of three answers. Yes, no or wait. Jesus who is God, on His way to the cross asked. Father if it be your will that this cup may pass from me so be it, but not my will but thy will be done. God is not a genie in a bottle that grants us every wish we ask. It goes back to being in submission to the will of God. It is possible that God said no to the prayers. On the other hand there are a number of documented cases were people were prayed for and either were healed spontaniously or even came back to life.
Another possibility is this. Because of my wifes career we attended a number of different churches. In my opinion most churches today I have seen are no more than social clubs. People don't really pray. Unless it is for money. The pastors don't preach the word of God. They tell cute stories or contrieved messages to guilt people into giving more money. The churches are businesses. If their prayers weren't answered I wouldn't be suprised.

2: You asked what my point was in the information about the state of the world? You place your faith in science believeing it is based on fact. I was demonstrating that science is imperfect and cannot save you. That there is a limit to what science can know or do. I used to be an athiest. Many of the same arguements you are using I used. I felt superior to those naive, ignorant religous people clinging to superstition. I believed I was invincible. Then my world feel apart. I found myself in a situation that I couldn't solve. I tried and tried and nothing I did could fix it. In desperation I cried out to God. With in a few days the situation resolved better than I could have hoped for. It was obvious to me that it was a miracle. That God had intervened. This and the death of several people I was very close to and people doing what I am doing now with you. Talking about God with me. It wasn't an instant conversion. But I started seeing God working in my life. I realized that God had been there all the while. I just couldn't see it because I didn't want to see it.

3: As to your critique of my spelling. We use different sides of the brain. Many of the greatest scholars and leaders couldn't spell worth squat. That is why they had scribes or secretaries. They were focused on the creative side or abstract side of the brain more. In my case I have nearly died several times and that clerical side of my brain is impaired. As well as long term memory. So if you don't have the mental capacity to understand what I am saying then it is your loss. Actually these discussions have helped to reestablish some of the path ways in my brain.

4: You missed the point of the reference to torment. I was demonstrating the taking out of context ploy that you were using and showing and example of what it would be like if I did the same thing. It was apparent that you didn't get my first reference because you did the same thing again.

5: You guys timing is incredible. The last time I had this discussion with Voo Doo I had just gotten out of he hospital and was very ill. It was very difficult doing it, but I did it because I felt it was important. This time I was in the hospital again and just got out. So I am ill again. Again I am doing this not because it benifits me in any way. To the contrary, but again I feel it is important. People took the time to tell me about God even though I mocked them and belittled them. Later the words they spoke to me came back and were of use to me. I pray that this is the case here. If not at least I tried.
Peace 

[S. Earl Martin]

Note: another reason there are errors is because when I am typing things letters disappear or change order. The misspelling of about was not there before I sent the post. It appeared after I hit post.

[pert -5]

Which one's God again?

[voodoo scientist]

It's me.

[S. Earl Martin]

It's all of us. LOL!

[Bill Hemphill]

The subconscious mind is part of the psyche. Part of the subconscious is the soul and the other part is the subconscious which is described as knowing all. This amazing part of the psyche that knows everything . . . hmmmm . . . don't you know that is the Spirit of the Living God? I know it!

Now you do if you understand the mind. Liza123 get's it . . . don't you Liza123?

[S. Earl Martin]

Liza123 has left the building.

I get it though. Thanks.

[pert -5]

The subconscious mind is part of the psyche. Part of the subconscious is the soul and the other part is the subconscious which is described as knowing all. This amazing part of the psyche that knows everything

Interesting.  Have any more to add, or is this it?

[Sparrowhawk1161]

Do I believe in God?

Yes?

Why?

Most people do not believe in God because there is no proof.  What is proof based on?  Science.  Science has been around for only 500 years...its based on the idea of a =b, and b=c, then a=c.  Pure logic.

But, how many times has science changed?  Idea, hypothisis, experiement, conclusion... then, new hypothesis, experiment conclusion.  No one has a straight answer.  First the big bang... then all matter will converge on itself for the "Big Cruch"...wait?!!!! No!!!!  Dark matter...the universes is expanding...we are supoosed to get the big "Fuzzle" out of the universe...  just 20 years ago... dark matter was a word that no one knew?  what?

What does this have to do with GOD?

EVERYTHING!

Science is an imperfect medium to explain away something as great as a force and intellengence that created everything.  We can stay locked in science theory, or we can realize that trying to explain the universe can't be found.  I'm not saying that science doesn't have it's uses.  Look at medicine and technology?

But?

Something started the universe?  It must have been quite intellegent to throw everthing right where it is.  It must be intelligent enough to keep it going.  Science will never proove it.

Thus...something more intellegent than us is controlling everything.

That's GOD.

And, God is something that has been around a lot longer than science and logic has...meaning?

So two ways of looking at it.

1. Get locked up in our own imperfect system in understanding the universe and say that there is no driving force which created us.
2. We do a time honored thing.  Go right to the sorce and understand a GOD (Intellegent Universal Force) is there..

Number two is where I stand...

[Enigma]

^ The above post is a perfect example of the surrender to ignorance I mentioned in earlier posts.  "We'll never figure out how the universe works sand even if we do I won't be able to understand it.  Lets just say god did it because that's easier".  I get why people embrace religion: it has all the answers.  No one ever said that they were the right answers. 

Something started the universe?  It must have been quite intellegent to throw everthing right where it is.  It must be intelligent enough to keep it going.  Science will never proove it.

Never say never.  I bet the ancient Egyptians never thought we'd understand how lightning is formed or the composition of other planets but look where we are today.  If people continue to take the position of ignorance and assume god did everything then there will be no scientific progress of any kind.


It always confuses me how religious people act like god ends the infinite regression argument.  The existence of a god intelligent enough to create the cosmos and set them in motion raises the question of what created god.

[Sparrowhawk1161]

"The existence of a god intelligent enough to create the cosmos and set them in motion raises the question of what created god."

If you can tell me what created the universe in a definitive answer, I won't believe in God any more.  So what started the big bang?

[Enigma]

Way to cherry pick one of my points.

I don't know what created the big bang.  I can't give you a definitive answer.  But I'm not going to give up and say "well I can't figure it out so I'll just subscribe to the easiest, most convenient viewpoint that satisfies my curiosity no matter how illogical it is".  Like I said before, just because religion has all the answers doesn't mean they are the right answers. 

[Sparrowhawk1161]

Oh yes... surrender to ignorance.  Now you get into philosophy.  Somewhere in this world a tree fell down.  You never heard it, felt it, or seen it in any manner.  Yet, you believe it did.  Right?  Prove it!

God and the belief in such is an act of Faith.  No matter how you argue the point in logical terms, people have faith.  Ignorance or enlightment?

It's a choice that people make.  Science can not disprove the existance of God...because science is based on logical fact.  Some people just go beyond the logical fact and have Faith...But obviously it can't be proven.  Ignorance is the oldest term in the world to disprove God.  If all else fails...use ignorance...it works everytime!  People can go beyond natural fact and realize that ignorance is what founded science and ignorance is what it will gain in the end.  How do you know science will prove the existance of God...Can it?  Probably not.  But 500 years of science hasn't come up with the answer and no matter how far science excels...the question always remains...WHAT IF?  NO matter how much it excels...someone will come up with WHAT IF and change science for a loop.  Then, more WHAT IF?

WHAT IF we just go beyond it and realize some intellegence created the universe.  It couldn't just happen on it's own?  One single point of infinite matter...a singularity...explain how the singularity formed and then you will find GOD...IF you can?  Even if you did find the answer...more questions will eventually arise...

[Sparrowhawk1161]

Anyways, Enigma.  It's an age old argument anyways.  The last thing I want to do is argue the point...it's counter productive for the site anyways.  The last thing I really want to do is make you an enemy of you... As far am I am concerned we need to focus on helping people.  I'd rather have you on my side with helping those in need.  We all have differing view points on certain subjects anyways.  And, we are intitled to them.

See you as a helper Enigma on the threads together...

[NataEames]

god can not be proven to not exist... ok, there is no way to prove that flying elephants do not exist either (maybe they're also invisible or hybernating lol). But we can prove that there has been no contact with them and no sighting of them.
It is time to stop believing in god and santa claus and the easter bunny. youre not children

Nata Eames

[S. Earl Martin]

It is interesting how people speak in group terms. Who is we? Just because you are not able to see them or experience them. Is not proof they don't exist. Or to assume that anyone who doesn't believe like you is less mature or intellegent. I suggest you read the previous posts before you start rehashing old arguments. Personally I and many other people have had contact with God. Just because you don't want to believe that, is not proof of anything.

[Enigma]

esoteric claims: one of the hallmarks of pseudoscience. 

You and other people have had what you THINK is contact with God.  Institutions are chock full of people claiming to alien encounters, vast government conspiracies, and other similar delusional thoughts.  Just because a group of people believe something with conviction does not make it true. 


Anyone else feel like religion is some sort of outdated sick joke but the majority of people are too stupid to get the punchline?

[S. Earl Martin]

Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it not true. Your pseudoscience is just an excuse so you can feel superior. It allows you to continue to make claims that are not provable. You want to believe that you follow science, but in reality you don't. Tell me why did most of the top scientists thru out history believe in God? And don't give me this they believed because they were pressured to by the age they lived in. That demeans their intellegence. They believed because of their own free will.

Second you claim these are delusional thoughts. Okay prove it Mr. Science. You talk alot, but you don't say anything. You rant and rave and call names etc. Typical of a small mind lashing out at what they don't understand. The only sick joke is you!

[Stasy]

god can not be proven to not exist... ok, there is no way to prove that flying elephants do not exist either (maybe they're also invisible or hybernating lol). But we can prove that there has been no contact with them and no sighting of them.
It is time to stop believing in god and santa claus and the easter bunny. youre not children

Nata Eames

It`s time to believe in God!!!
If people don`t believe in God,it`ll be chaos all over the world!

[NataEames]

BECAUSE people believe in god, there's chaos all over the world!!!

I can name dozens ranging from the witch trials to the recent terrorism.

What do these things have in common?

They were all done "in the name of god"!!!!!

[Stasy]

It`s difficult to explain,to find the  words,....but we have to believe in God!Believing in God,we we can prove ourselves,we can try to understand the world essence....we can substaniate our behaviour....why we have to love,to be kind....Believing in God,we have the aim!
P.S we can`t play the game,when we don`t believe in its rules, to tell the truth, we can try,....but  in that way(I think) we won`t win it!     
   

[NataEames]

We do not need to believe in ANYTHING that doesnt make sense. Humans feel the need to believe in the supernatural for one simple reason - HOPE

Thousands of years ago people believed that the earth was flat and was held up by a couple elephants. Now our children we laugh at them.

I am ashamed to think that a thousand years from now people would be laughing at us "these idiots thought there was a granddaddy sitting on a cloud preaching "thy shalt not commit adultery"!"

[Enigma]

Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it not true.

This train goes both ways.  The difference between our beliefs is that mine are backed up by empirical evidence.  

Your pseudoscience is just an excuse so you can feel superior. It allows you to continue to make claims that are not provable.

The irony of this statement is astounding.  Nothing is 100% provable.  A theory can only reach the status of not yet refuted.  However, this does not preclude probability from favoring one theory over another.

You want to believe that you follow science, but in reality you don't. Tell me why did most of the top scientists thru out history believe in God? And don't give me this they believed because they were pressured to by the age they lived in. That demeans their intellegence. They believed because of their own free will.

I'd like to see a source for this statement.  In the modern age, a majority of scientists profess agnostic or atheistic beliefs.  Scientists of the past may have believed in a god, but their views were shaped by the world and the culture that they lived in and by the the lack of empirical evidence that we have today.  Don't tell me to ignore evidence because it disagrees with your viewpoint.  

Second you claim these are delusional thoughts. Okay prove it Mr. Science. You talk alot, but you don't say anything. You rant and rave and call names etc.

Like I said before, institutions are chock full of people claiming to alien encounters, vast government conspiracies, contact with the divine, etc...so excuse me if I don't exactly take you seriously.  

Typical of a small mind lashing out at what they don't understand. The only sick joke is you!

Another profoundly ironic quote.

It`s time to believe in God!!!
If people don`t believe in God,it`ll be chaos all over the world!

This statement is asinine.  The majority of people in the world believe in god and there is plenty of chaos in the world.  

It`s difficult to explain,to find the  words,....but we have to believe in God!Believing in God,we we can prove ourselves,we can try to understand the world essence....we can substaniate our behaviour....why we have to love,to be kind....Believing in God,we have the aim!

Not all of us are weak-minded enough to need god to do this.  

[NataEames]

Enigma, you are right!!! It is the weak mind that turns towards those things!