Obama Vs Mccain

[freud]

Obama has finally won enough delegates to get the Democratic nomination. Both candidates now have roughly 5 months of general campaigning to do before the November elections. Hope and Change Vs Honor and Experience. Who will win? Who do you want to win?

[ellion]

I dont get to see the same coverage of the campaigns as you would over the atlantic in the United States, however from what I have seen, I would not like John McCain to be president. I dont agree with military activity or military minded people. This guy would be worse for the united states than bush.

The other thing is that the president of the united states when they decide to make trouble with the world makes trouble for the world. we have all been caught up in bushes WAR on TERROR.

[watson]

i dont get to see the same coverage of the campaigns as you would over the atlantic in the united states, however from what i have seen, i would not like john mcain to be president. i dont agree with military activity or military minded people. this guy would be worse for the united states than bush.

the other thing is that the president of the united states when they decide to make trouble with the world makes trouble for the world. we have all been caught up in bushes WAR on TERROR.

Why do you not agree with military activity? Military activity liberated Europe from Nazi evils that included mass murder, euthanasia, genocide, and labor camps. It won freedoms for countries all over the world. It has protected assets, freed people, protected one's home, and even given people identities.

Why would someone make such a blank statement with nothing to back it up as, "I don't agree with military activity."

Some of the world's greatest people have been military minded. America has had several great presidents including Ike and Grant. Just do a Google search and you will see the heroes of such wars, including the current Iraq war.

You say you do not like McCain, but you do not back it up. Then you say Bush is a terrible president, but you do not back it up. How has Bush been bad for the United States?

The economy soared most of his two terms. Even as we are in the Democrat made-up "recession", the economy is still growing. By the way, the definition of a recession is two straight quarters of negative growth. We have grown in the past two. We have not experienced negative growth in years. The media, Obama, and fellow Democrats are lying to us.

How is it Bush's "War on Terror?"

Britain, Poland, Turkey, South Korea, Australia, Georgia, Romania, El Savador, Bulgaria, Albania, Mongolia, Czech Republic ,  Azerbaijan, Tonga, Denmark, Armenia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Estonia, Moldova, Latvia,  Kazakhstan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Singapore still have a presence in Iraq.

That many people in that many countries seem to not just be under Bush's magical spell and fighting for him. To say it is Bush's War on Terror is wrong. It is indeed a global war on terror. It is evident by the number of people and the countries that have participated in in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq

That is the full list of who still is in there and who was in there at some time.

[SWM]

i never get to see what is really happening over there in the US. I have never like the look of John McCain ( ican tell a lot from how a person looks  )

i was also quite suspiciscious of this palin lady. not so much suspicious of her but the use of her in the Mc Cains election campaign.

my perception has always been that this guy will win because the powers backing him are able to influence the media. i don't know how true that is and i hope i am wrong.

i would love to hear from any real people that are US resident, on how they see the campaign.

also i thought this article was relavent to ellions post

http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=7380&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

which was written by http://www.jazzmanchronicles.blogspot.com/

[corwin137]

I have no "war on terror".  I have a 'war' FOR introspection.  There's no war on homelessness... hrm.

My entertaining myself aside, there's no wisdom in going to war when all other options have not been exhausted.  Not simply talking about someone making a sweeping generalization of negotiating with 'terrorists'.  There's not even any inquiry about what that really is to begin with.  It's like the thread recently about physical discipline of children.  My basic premise is this: as long as there's other available options, they should be tried, as the ends justifying the means is the most provincial conclusion possible.

Before my post starts looking like a wholesale appreciation of Obama lemme say this... he supported funding the 'war' (a word I loathe as a war is when TWO armies are fighting...), he passed on resisting 'Patriot' Act legislations of a couple types, fudged his commitments about campaign funding... these are not baubles.  However, I do support dude because he does show some level of introspection.  He does resist the equivalent of beating a puppy in order to raise it.  He's verbalized more focus on the citizenry than the corporations.  Speaking of, he's got much fewer corporate whores on his campaign that McCain does.  McCain arguably votes against his own best interest- giving a pass to torture?  Does this dude work for the APA or what?

Sorry... entertaining myself again.

There's some egregious principles being overlooked right now.  The last thing we need is more "information", more "security", more means to "defend" ourselves (incidentally, against... who?  Are there any threats besides China?  I mean really...).  I even heard a radio show host that will remain nameless ranting about how we need to take the leashes off of corporations.  That is more than an uncomfortable wrenching of common sense... I'd go so far as to call it a name I'll keep to myself.  All the things I'm describing in this paragraph are "policies" McCain is in support of.  Phail.

PS: Palin is a demon.  Aerial hunting of wolves in Alaska?  Leave creatures alone.

[SWM]

useful to hear the perspective of an intelligent american. what concerns me however is if the intelligent americans are in the minority. from the outside looking in it seems so. it is the same in this country. too many people are forgoing their intelligence to be spoon fed values and ideals. the party with the strongest media campaign will win the day. the party that can be on the right TV channel, at the right time and say the "magic words" are the winning party. the swarms of watchers stampede to the election boxes passionately championing their leader to be, who will defend their rights and priviliges from the threats of the demonocracy.

  maybe i still have a bit of parnoia left over from the schizophrenia.

[shadow]

Why do you not agree with military activity? Military activity liberated Europe from Nazi evils that included mass murder, euthanasia, genocide, and labor camps. It won freedoms for countries all over the world. It has protected assets, freed people, protected one's home, and even given people identities.

Why would someone make such a blank statement with nothing to back it up as, "I don't agree with military activity."

Some of the world's greatest people have been military minded. America has had several great presidents including Ike and Grant. Just do a Google search and you will see the heroes of such wars, including the current Iraq war.

You say you do not like McCain, but you do not back it up. Then you say Bush is a terrible president, but you do not back it up. How has Bush been bad for the United States?

The economy soared most of his two terms. Even as we are in the Democrat made-up "recession", the economy is still growing. By the way, the definition of a recession is two straight quarters of negative growth. We have grown in the past two. We have not experienced negative growth in years. The media, Obama, and fellow Democrats are lying to us.

How is it Bush's "War on Terror?"

Britain, Poland, Turkey, South Korea, Australia, Georgia, Romania, El Savador, Bulgaria, Albania, Mongolia, Czech Republic ,  Azerbaijan, Tonga, Denmark, Armenia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Estonia, Moldova, Latvia,  Kazakhstan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Singapore still have a presence in Iraq.

That many people in that many countries seem to not just be under Bush's magical spell and fighting for him. To say it is Bush's War on Terror is wrong. It is indeed a global war on terror. It is evident by the number of people and the countries that have participated in in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq

That is the full list of who still is in there and who was in there at some time.

Firstly,  if I was old enough to vote I would be voting Obama.  I just prefer his views, and I am more democratic than Republican.
As for the military, yes it is nessisary for protection and many other reasons.  However, I don't believe we should still be in Iraq, nor should we have ever been. Its not our war to fight. People die every day, and nothing is really accomplished because of it.

[corwin137]

Firstly,  if I was old enough to vote I would be voting Obama.  I just prefer his views, and I am more democratic than Republican.
As for the military, yes it is nessisary for protection and many other reasons.  However, I don't believe we should still be in Iraq, nor should we have ever been. Its not our war to fight. People die every day, and nothing is really accomplished because of it.

Why couldn't you have been President the last 8 years?

"Saddam didn't steal my 401k."
-  Seen on a protest sign (yes, by me, fence-shaker that I am...)

[liza123]

It is time to activate this thread.

What do you think of Obama vs McCain NOW?

[Ajna]

The puppet on the left hand and the puppet on the right hand...