What results in the personality?

[eevee.chung]

Hi everyone!
While I was replying a comment on the forum, a sudden question sprang to my mind: What creates our personality?

To be more exact, where does our personality originate? Is our personality merely an expression of our essence, which is our being, or is it a derivative of our ego mind, which is our being that has the negative emotions? I'm not saying that there is an exact definition of our personality, because the ego mind can also be a result of our personality!

How is it that our ego mind, essence, and personality can all be related?

I'm doing this for our English class, which includes the broad topics of transcending our physical, understanding our ego mind, and such topics.

[SWM]

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there are a lot of theories about personlaity, how it develops etc, there is no definite answer.

Is our personality merely an expression of our essence, which is our being,

i think that saying personality is an expression of our essence covers all bases really. the problem there is that, as an answer to your question, it is a bit ambiguos, after all every facet of our existence is an expression of our essence. all elements of the oak tree are an expression of the acorn.

or is it a derivative of our ego mind, which is our being that has the negative emotions?

it maybe the ego mind which percieves personality, rather than derives it.

[Bill Hemphill]

Hello Chung and SWM. I have had solid thoughts on the development of the personality for decades. I am inclined to believe that our essence only contributes to the outcome of the response we later term personality. Energy present during thought process or even introductions of social components is recorded on a dendrite and when a symbol or sign in our everyday life is presented, the mind responds according to the code on the dendrite.

I also believe we have a synaptic process of problem solving and evaluation that we determine to be philosophy. Things we believe can be detrimental if they are not grounded well. Great topic eevee.chung.

[anaklio]

One issue is "What is personality?" There is a group in Finland studying these issues. They consider personality to be five key measures: Neuroticism, Extraversion, Openness, Agreeableness, and Conscientiousness.

These measures were shown to be stable in adulthood (Rantanen et al., 2009). Another study suggested that they stabilize in adolescence (Klimstra et al., 2009). Both studies showed gender differences.

[eevee.chung]

i think that saying personality is an expression of our essence covers all bases really.

However, isn't the personality is also a part of the ego mind? Our ego mind can also create a different result of who we are today. Essence can only cover a certain degree of our personality, because the essence needs to control our ego mind from going into overdrive.

So, Bill, what you are saying is that our personality is a reflection of our brain transmitting information?

anaklio, what is it that causes our neuroticism, extraversion, openness, agreeableness, and conscientiousness?

[Bill Hemphill]

I believe the mind and body are "responding" to outside stimulus according to a network of understandings that are associated to energy attachments to social components and these are kept track of by dendrites(a stead) in the brain. The energy does not stay the same throughout  life. A person attains a value system where one thing is more important than another. Based on this embedded sometimes changing value system, a person responds accordingly.

One person who values animals such as a dog over people may race to save the dog first when it's owner and the dog have fallen through the ice. Others might ask what makes a person do that? And the answer is the value system.

[Bill Hemphill]

I agree with you Chung that we have a being, but I would like you to know that we also have a "becoming" which is why we should be glad that we have a conscious or ego.

Can we call you Chung?

Bill

[eevee.chung]

bio related O.o our actions are merely reflections of our brain's  response to a scenario. However, when we start to feel and to see from a new perspective, our energy field changes, so does our response to a certain value. That is what you mean, right?

hmm. so is there a possibility that we have two phases of our personalities? One of which is where we are the being, while the other one is where we are "becoming."

Sure, you can call me chung, but i prefer not to thought. people call my brother chung. haha

[SWM]

However, isn't the personality is also a part of the ego mind? Our ego mind can also create a different result of who we are today. Essence can only cover a certain degree of our personality, because the essence needs to control our ego mind from going into overdrive.

is personality a apart of the ego mind. it could be viewed in that way, if it helps you too do that. i wonder what you mean by ego mind? could we use mind rather than ego mind? what would be the difference between mind and ego mind?

i understand the mind and the personality being the internal and external elements of the process of conscious experience, viewed from different perspective. if you are observing the ego mind you would be looking inside the mind of the individual. if you are observing the personality you are observing the external expressions of the individual.  with skill and expereince one can look at the personality (external expressions) and understand the mind (internal process).

Essence can only cover a certain degree of our personality, because the essence needs to control our ego mind from going into overdrive.

do you see the mind as an independent entity that is controlled by another independent entity?

[eevee.chung]

Ego mind is the part of us that roams free and does whatever it pleases. I guess that is the easiest way you can put it.

I don't believe that the mind is an independent entity that is controlled by another independent entity. From what i see, the mind is simply influenced; it cannot be controlled. Our essence, our ego mind, and our environment are all factors that influence the mind.
the essence does not really have full control of our ego mind; it's a way for preventing us from going insane. Don't think i am making much sense here, but i'll try again if you have no idea what i am saying

[SWM]

yes some explanations may help.

are you talking about an ego in the freudian sense? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego,_and_super-ego

also what is the essence? is that something similar to the higher self? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_self

[Bill Hemphill]

Actually the mind moves through the brain in a particular path or paths. In a particular task it travels in a sequence that when repeated we call this "practice".

Add this to "attitude" and the personality begins to form.

The mind travels easily over well worn paths but not well over new frontier. Then our personality is forming.

[pert -5]

I'll contribute with a quote:

"That's when I exclaimed aloud, 'I'VE GONE COMPLETELY SANE!' My ego was now quite removed from my mind. I realized my true self for the first time in my life: I have no true self. The thing 'I' thought of as 'self' never really existed. Any 'self' in the universe is really just a complex collection of borrowed, converging forces that temporarily react with each other and make up who I am. Because we all borrow from the 'stuff' of the universe, we are all just strange embodiments of many chemicals that have spiraled together for a time to form our 'selves'."
- Shadowmesh, "There is no 'I' in 'All', Erowid

[Enigma]

How very Buddhist. 

[Bill Hemphill]

Attitude seems to be the backbone of "personality".

[Enigma]

Attitude seems to be the backbone of "personality".

How do you figure?