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I'm not paranoid, are you?
« on: November 18, 2008, 09:08:12 PM »
If you think they're out to get you, you're not alone.
Paranoia, once assumed to afflict only schizophrenics, may be a lot
more common than previously thought.


According to British psychologist Daniel Freeman, nearly one in four
Londoners regularly have paranoid thoughts. Freeman is a paranoia
expert at the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College and the author
of a book on the subject.

Experts say there is a wide spectrum of paranoia, from the dangerous
delusions that drive schizophrenics to violence, to the irrational
fears many people have daily.

"We are now starting to discover that madness is human and that we
need to look at normal people to understand it," said Dr. Jim van Os,
a professor of psychiatry at Maastricht University in the Netherlands.
Van Os was not connected to Freeman's studies.

Paranoia is defined as the exaggerated or unfounded fear that others
are trying to hurt you. That includes thoughts that other people are
trying to upset or annoy you, for example, by staring, laughing, or
making unfriendly gestures.

Surveys of several thousands of people in Britain, the United States
and elsewhere have found that rates of paranoia are slowly rising,
although researchers' estimates of how many of us have paranoid
thoughts varies widely, from 5 percent to 50 percent.

A British survey of more than 8,500 adults found that 21 percent of
people thought there had been times when others were acting against
them. Another survey of about 1,000 adults in New York found that
nearly 11 percent thought other people were following or spying on
them.

Dennis Combs, an assistant professor of psychology at the University
of Texas at Tyler, has been studying paranoia for about a decade. When
he first started conducting paranoia studies, mostly in college
students, he found that about 5 percent of them had paranoid thoughts.
In recent years, that has tripled to about 15 percent, he said.

In a small experiment in London, Freeman concluded that a quarter of
people riding the subway in the capital probably have regular thoughts
that qualify as paranoia. In the study, 200 randomly selected people
(those with a history of mental problems were excluded) took a virtual
reality train ride. They recorded their reactions to computerized
passengers programmed to be neutral.

More than 40 percent of study participants had at least some paranoid
thoughts. Some felt intimidated by the computer passengers, claiming
they were aggressive, had made obscene gestures, or tried to start a
fight.

Freeman said that in big cities, many ambiguous events can lead to
paranoid thoughts. Because we constantly make snap judgments based on
limited information, like which street to take or whether or not
strangers are dangerous, the decision-making process is prone to
error.

Van Os said Freeman's virtual reality experiment was solid and
confirmed previous research. Experts say not everyone with paranoid
thoughts needs professional help. It all depends on how disturbing the
thoughts are and if they disrupt your life.

"People walk around with odd thoughts all the time," said David Penn,
a professor of psychology at the University of North Carolina. "The
question is if that translates into real behavior."

Van Os recalled a delusional patient who was convinced that the French
singer Charles Aznavour was in love with her, and had been whispering
to her before she went to sleep every night for more than two decades.

"You could call it a psychotic experience, but she was very happy
about it," van Os said. "There isn't always a need for care when
there's an instance of psychosis."

He hoped that being able to identify milder delusional symptoms in
people could help doctors intervene earlier to prevent more serious
cases.

The post-Sept. 11 atmosphere and the war on terror also have increased
levels of paranoia in the West, some experts said.

"We are bombarded with information about our alert status and we're
told to report suspicious-looking characters," Penn said. "That primes
people to be more paranoid."

Traumatic events can make people more vulnerable to having paranoid
thoughts. Since the attacks, Penn said Americans have been conditioned
to be more vigilant of anything out of the ordinary.

While heightened awareness may be good thing, Penn said it can also
lead to false accusations and an atmosphere where strangers are
negatively viewed.

That can result in more social isolation, hostility, and possibly even
crime. And it can take a toll on physical health. More paranoia means
more stress, a known risk factor for heart disease and strokes.

Still, some experts said that a little bit of paranoia could be
helpful.

"In a world full of threat, it may be kind of beneficial for people to
be on guard. It's good to be looking around and see who's following
you and what's happening," Combs said. "Not everybody is trying to get
you, but some people may be."

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Re: I'm not paranoid, are you?
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2008, 10:43:42 PM »
Am glad you noted the part about "exaggerated or unfounded...", particularly the unfounded portion.  Too often I think (well, I think this about all things...) we are unclear about how we define something, and don't use that as a starting point.

As my hero Sheldon Kopp always says: the real art is in telling the real alarms from the false ones.

Would say too, that we spend a lot of time thinking in terms of "be careful".  One of my most beautiful and longest-term friends says to her son instead: "Pay attention."  I think the difference here can truly help those afflicted, and those not afflicted, with this as an issue.

Last, something funny from one of my martial arts forums:
"You know what happens to paranoid people?  Nothing."
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 01:47:35 AM »
There have been times when I believed that some people were "out to get me" and I had just read them all wrong. So in a sense I guess I technically have been paranoid before.  :o
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Re: I'm not paranoid, are you?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2008, 01:46:08 PM »
i do have paranoid ideas quite a lot, i always have. i have now learned that my ideas are just ideas, and often have little relation to what is going on in reality.  finding aternative ideas to my paranoid ideas hepls me to stay grounded in reality.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2008, 06:00:36 PM »
i do have paranoid ideas quite a lot, i always have. i have now learned that my ideas are just ideas, and often have little relation to what is going on in reality.  finding aternative ideas to my paranoid ideas hepls me to stay grounded in reality.
So cool for me to hear you talk about stuff this way.  There's so much people with "thought disorders" can do, that unfortunately some therapists/psychiatrists don't tell 'em... for a long list of reasons.

Simple ideas like, reality testing, having people as external anchors, learning how to cultivate people/testing and anchors as means to stay grounded, "I don't have to do everything I think...", "I don't have to believe everything I think...", even med compliance and not mixing that stuff with the use/abuse of substances.  It never ceases to both amaze and sadden me that folks don't get taught this stuff.

Grr.  That oughtta be my next thread.  What I hate about therapists/psychiatry.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2008, 07:23:21 PM »
So cool for me to hear you talk about stuff this way.  There's so much people with "thought disorders" can do, that unfortunately some therapists/psychiatrists don't tell 'em... for a long list of reasons.

Simple ideas like, reality testing, having people as external anchors, learning how to cultivate people/testing and anchors as means to stay grounded, "I don't have to do everything I think...", "I don't have to believe everything I think...", even med compliance and not mixing that stuff with the use/abuse of substances.  It never ceases to both amaze and sadden me that folks don't get taught this stuff.

Grr.  That oughtta be my next thread.  What I hate about therapists/psychiatry.
agreed. you also made me think about a strategy that i used to overcome my paranoia when i was recovering. when i had a thought that belonged to my paranoid belief system, i simply told myself something like, "thats okay, if that is real then i cannot change it", i guess i adopted a preparedness to face reality whatever that might mean confronting. if i had to face my death i was prepared to face my death, (a lot of my paranoia was around people wanting to kill me)

i;d also like to know what other people like or dislike about mental health professionals.
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